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2021/22 Mason Holgate

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Carlito said:
He's never been any worse than Godfrey or Keane, but gets a lot more stick.

One that I like to see doing well.
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Agree on this, we have three players there with little between them.
I was a bit disappointed with his yellow yesterday, would rather heron one putting a foot in then wasting time, but either way he rose yesterday to the occasion
 

Carlito said:
He's never been any worse than Godfrey or Keane, but gets a lot more stick.

One that I like to see doing well.
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Me too.
I reckon we’ve had the most unsettled back four out of everyone. When did we last have a settled back 4 who managed a bunch of games together.
We seem to have chopped and changed pretty much every week for the last couple of seasons, for various reasons.
It hasn’t done any of our Centre Backs any favours.
 
Verbal Kint said:
Nothing will make me change my opinion of him as a footballer. Played well yesterday but it's almost no coincidence he had Coleman and Mina talking him through the game yesterday from the first minute.
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Seamus and Yeri both know communication is vital for a strong defensive unit. Take that away and we will see the 'old' Holgate reappear. He is a listener, a domestic defender if you like, not everybody is a leader.
If being in his ear makes him play like he did yesterday, then that gets my vote. Let's see how it pans out.
Remember Stubbs was at everybody all game. Different strokes for different folks as they say.
 

….I think he’s dreadful, reckless and gets caught ball watching. He gives away loads of free kicks in dangerous areas (one early when Mount was running beyond him) because he can’t cope.

One thing he doesn’t lack, though, is attitude and it might have been a shrewd move by Lampard to play him. We need players who are not scared of the situation. Dogs of War.

i admit I wouldn’t play him, even ahead of Keane. i actually think Branthwaite has a competitive edge, quality, pace and carries a threat from set pieces, I’d certainly have him ahead of Holgate.
 
Eggs said:
….I think he’s dreadful, reckless and gets caught ball watching. He gives away loads of free kicks in dangerous areas (one early when Mount was running beyond him) because he can’t cope.

One thing he doesn’t lack, though, is attitude and it might have been a shrewd move by Lampard to play him. We need players who are not scared of the situation. Dogs of War.

i admit I wouldn’t play him, even ahead of Keane. i actually think Branthwaite has a competitive edge, quality, pace and carries a threat from set pieces, I’d certainly have him ahead of Holgate.
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Branthwaite alongside Mina, a left footer and a right footer and 2 defenders who are 6' 5" tall
 
Eggs said:
….I think he’s dreadful, reckless and gets caught ball watching. He gives away loads of free kicks in dangerous areas (one early when Mount was running beyond him) because he can’t cope.

One thing he doesn’t lack, though, is attitude and it might have been a shrewd move by Lampard to play him. We need players who are not scared of the situation. Dogs of War.

i admit I wouldn’t play him, even ahead of Keane. i actually think Branthwaite has a competitive edge, quality, pace and carries a threat from set pieces, I’d certainly have him ahead of Holgate.
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I normally agree wholeheartedly with Eggs, but not on this. Holgate is easily above Keane and likely above Branthwaite in ten pecking order. He’s aggressive, competitive and strong in the tackle. Keane is none of those. Branthwaite is a better footballer, but we need strength and commitment in our hour of need. Let’s give the lad a break and get behind him.
 
evertony said:
I normally agree wholeheartedly with Eggs, but not on this. Holgate is easily above Keane and likely above Branthwaite in ten pecking order. He’s aggressive, competitive and strong in the tackle. Keane is none of those. Branthwaite is a better footballer, but we need strength and commitment in our hour of need. Let’s give the lad a break and get behind him.
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….but football is about opinion, Tony, & I think Holgate is a defensive liability. He’s genuinely not very good, I think Lampard has worked that out but Holgate’s not scared of playing & in this moment he’s getting selected.

Let’s not forget, Branthwaite played in the backs to the wall encounter at Chelsea. He’s not lacking attitude and aggression. He’s different level to Holgate, but Lampard has him down the pecking order.

Saying all of that, regardless of who plays we’re at a point where we just have to find a way to win games (as we did yesterday).
 
COYBL25 said:
Just like Keane, he can only play well, when Big Yerry is holding his hand.

So, if we stay up, we either base the central defence around Big Yerry and his multitude of fitness problems or we let the likes of Holgate and Keane go, if we decide to move Big Yerry on at the end of the season and almost start again.
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I’d be moving Keane on and looking for another defender who can replicate Mina. As Yerry just can’t stay fit.
 

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