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"Medium-sized" PL clubs thread

Raino85 said:
Everything currently wrong with football.

Player farming and football finance over league position and trophies
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They were literally in League 2 and going out of business. They've been promoted all through the leagues and are now often in the top half of the prem. I don't see how that is not prioritising league position
 

Billy Dean said:
Not sure if there will be much interest but thought I'd start a thread on what you might call the medium-sized clubs in the prem. I'm talking clubs like Brighton, Palace, West Ham, Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, Forest, maybe Wolves too (until recently at least).
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Placeholders happy to tread water and have an occasional cup run.

Mid table obscurity that we can only aspire to.
 

Bohemian Toffee said:
Placeholders happy to tread water and have an occasional cup run.

Mid table obscurity that we can only aspire to.
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I don't see what's wrong with that for some clubs. If a club has been traditionally a yo-yo club, or simply a lower league club. For them to be stable in mid table, solvent and without worried of relegation, with the odd run in Europe, is a great achievement IMO
 
Billy Dean said:
I don't see what's wrong with that for some clubs. If a club has been traditionally a yo-yo club, or simply a lower league club. For them to be stable in mid table, solvent and without worried of relegation, with the odd run in Europe, is a great achievement IMO
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Don't disagree in principle, can't help but think the sport has become so dominated by financial doping, status quo safeguards and institutional bias that we need a levelling of the playing field.

Have we now entered a place where even a catastrophically run, but established PL side has no real threat of relegation?
 
Bohemian Toffee said:
Don't disagree in principle, can't help but think the sport has become so dominated by financial doping, status quo safeguards and institutional bias that we need a levelling of the playing field.

Have we now entered a place where even a catastrophically run, but established PL side has no real threat of relegation?
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We have had that the last 4 years
 

Raino85 said:
So your basically being ageist against other players, letting him under perform in the workplace with no repercussions due to his age?

You look at the kids at Arsenal, Lewis Skelly & Nwaneri, they have come in and had to match the level of the rest of the mens team, otherwise Arteta wouldn't select them.

You look at someone like Yasin Ayari who has been selected consistently this year for Brighton at a similar age. Is he using his age as an excuse, or has he worked hard to get...and stay in the team (fell off a little lately, but had a good season)
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Are you okay mate?

I'm being ageist by suggesting you can't judge a 20 year old in his first season in the PL in his first few months in England overall?!

Great examples for both Arsenal lads - been at the club their entire lives, used to everything, in the same system for their entire careers - of course they fit better and match their respective team better?

Ayari's been in England/Championship/PL for about 3 years mate.

Hence my point - judging a young player as "not good enough" and that managers have "seen enough" after a few months is dead weird. If it was your logic - Seamus Coleman would've been shipped back to Ireland within a fortnight. Young players have to be exceptional to be good abroad, even more so in England where the demand is just insane, hopefully this isn't news to you as it's been going on for ages. It's why every team that focuses on youth has them basically bedded in the system and environment before becoming instant starters. In fact, you've given great examples about the exact same thing above while trying to prove the opposite, so thanks!
 
DualityNSNO said:
Are you okay mate?

I'm being ageist by suggesting you can't judge a 20 year old in his first season in the PL in his first few months in England overall?!

Great examples for both Arsenal lads - been at the club their entire lives, used to everything, in the same system for their entire careers - of course they fit better and match their respective team better?

Ayari's been in England/Championship/PL for about 3 years mate.

Hence my point - judging a young player as "not good enough" and that managers have "seen enough" after a few months is dead weird. If it was your logic - Seamus Coleman would've been shipped back to Ireland within a fortnight. Young players have to be exceptional to be good abroad, even more so in England where the demand is just insane, hopefully this isn't news to you as it's been going on for ages. It's why every team that focuses on youth has them basically bedded in the system and environment before becoming instant starters. In fact, you've given great examples about the exact same thing above while trying to prove the opposite, so thanks!
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Lewis Skelly has played centre mid all through the youth teams, and has slotted in at left back

United consistently bring quality young players through ,and they are a basket case of a club they don't focus on youth.
 
Raino85 said:
Lewis Skelly has played centre mid all through the youth teams, and has slotted in at left back

United consistently bring quality young players through ,and they are a basket case of a club they don't focus on youth.
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They have? Like who in recent times? Greenwood (I know he's a horrible human being but he is a decent footballer)/Rashford/Garnacho have done exactly what I wrote above - spent a year or more in/around the first team barely playing before getting their proper chances, and even then on limited time.

For what it's worth even Lewis-Skelly is playing more minutes in Europe than in the Prem, for the exact reason that the demand is different. Nwaeri is barely starting any games.

We won't see more of them until next season at any rate.

And yes, regarding the position - being in the academy with your best mates (Nwaeri is one of them for Lewis-Skelly apparently) since you're a literal child will make it easier for you to fit in the team that you've been around for your entire life and know how everything works. EVEN THEN, they're still being eased in. Hibbert was a winger, and so on and so forth.

By what you've said here you don't rate Armstrong at all either then I'm guessing?
 

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