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2020/21 Moise Kean

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PSG will turf him back probably or offer derisory sum which is the same thing. Maybe Carlo will find he has matured into a better player?
 

Welcome home Mbappe

To quote Klopp re: Ibra in a joking conversation with Ibra while at Dortmund, "I would have to sell the whole team."

Ibra then offered to come on a free, and Klopp without missing a beat immediately confirmed that the cameras were rolling.

PSG will turf him back probably or offer derisory sum which is the same thing. Maybe Carlo will find he has matured into a better player?

The latter unless we can push Juve into a better position that we currently are in, or find another rival suitor.

Our best hope is that Dybala's agent has really screwed the pooch by misreading the market and asking for too much in wages, then had his player let him down with the party fracas. If we can manipulate that situation into getting Dybala on the table, we can probably use that leverage to get most of what we what we want out of PSG. So long as Juve is offering us two nickels for a dime, PSG will lowball us on a cash tender.

The better we finish, the more likely we are to be able to work that situation.
 
I love the way we have a 20 year old kid scoring goals for fun playing in the champions league and people think that the only two teams who'll be looking at him will be psg and juve who'll be able to low ball us.

There will 100% be other teams interested in him when he becomes available in the summer.
 
I love the way we have a 20 year old kid scoring goals for fun playing in the champions league and people think that the only two teams who'll be looking at him will be psg and juve who'll be able to low ball us.

There will 100% be other teams interested in him when he becomes available in the summer.

The problem is that most of the candidates are tapped, or have other holes to plug. There aren't a lot of CL clubs with money to burn, and most of the ones with funds are set up top.
 
I love the way we have a 20 year old kid scoring goals for fun playing in the champions league and people think that the only two teams who'll be looking at him will be psg and juve who'll be able to low ball us.

There will 100% be other teams interested in him when he becomes available in the summer.

If we were linked with a 21 year old slotting goals for fun and who had broken all sorts of records at Juventus then we'd be getting charged £50-60mil.
 

from a FFP point of view i guess we want to sell rather than player swap?

Remember the Juventus / Barca Pjanic/Arthur swap deal?

They overvalued both players.

Arthur €80mil
Pjanic €70mil

This way they got the upside of the FFP by selling a player for huge money and also covered that with the sale with only €10mil to cover for Juventus.

For arguments sake lets say we valued Kean at £45mil and PSG value Marquinhos at £70mil...£25mil difference.

We could sell Kean for £70mil and they could sell Marquinhos to us for £95mil.

Then we need to add £25mil to the Kean swap but navigate around FFP so we can splash more cash.
 
If we were linked with a 21 year old slotting goals for fun and who had broken all sorts of records at Juventus then we'd be getting charged £50-60mil.

That's because we aren't perenially in the CL and have to pay a premium on fees and wages as a consequence, if we can get the player at all.

The situation is reversed when selling to a CL club. See: Gana.

from a FFP point of view i guess we want to sell rather than player swap?

We want to sell (at the right price) because money will go further this summer than it usually does, and because we can use it to buy precisely what we need rather than accept whatever is available in barter.

On the plus side, the opposing party knows that and typically has to offer more value in barter for an in-demand asset than they would in cash in order to compensate for the inflexibility.

We don't want to take back multiple, lesser players because they come with wage bills attached.

Zat's accounting voodoo depends on how amortization works, and I'll admit to not being 100% on the rules with respect to that. I believe that what he's saying is that sale prices are realized now and transfer fees are amortized over the life of the contract, which means that if you mutually agree to inflated fees you both get more to spend today under FFP at the cost of having less available in future windows.
 
He replaced Choupo-Moting who scored 3 goals for Stoke before instantly being a champions league legend for PSG and now Bayern.

I don't think many people would want us to buy him even as a backup striker. They don't really need to spend a lot on that position. Chris Wood would get 25 goals a season for PSG.
 
That's because we aren't perenially in the CL and have to pay a premium on fees and wages as a consequence, if we can get the player at all.

The situation is reversed when selling to a CL club. See: Gana.



We want to sell (at the right price) because money will go further this summer than it usually does, and because we can use it to buy precisely what we need rather than accept whatever is available in barter.

On the plus side, the opposing party knows that and typically has to offer more value in barter for an in-demand asset than they would in cash in order to compensate for the inflexibility.

We don't want to take back multiple, lesser players because they come with wage bills attached.

Zat's accounting voodoo depends on how amortization works, and I'll admit to not being 100% on the rules with respect to that. I believe that what he's saying is that sale prices are realized now and transfer fees are amortized over the life of the contract, which means that if you mutually agree to inflated fees you both get more to spend today under FFP at the cost of having less available in future windows.

Youre right in that if we received £50mil for Kean, we can then spend that amount in full this summer, even if PSG pay us £10mil a year over 5 years. This in theory means that we could sign players for £250mil this summer with £50mil already covered from the Kean sale...we would just need to pay £50mil a season for the next 4 seasons (if players are signed on 5 year deals).

Lets say we sold Kean for £50mil and then bought 5 players for £50mil each. We could cover that £50mil a year from our transfer budget each of the next 4 summers. Or we could of course player trade each year to generate the money due.

Its a case of...if we spent £250mil on players this summer can we generate £50mil a year over the next 4 seasons in income from doing so or can we player trade to generate more money.

i suppose its similar to the NFL trading their next 4 years draft picks for 4 draft picks this draft.


He replaced Choupo-Moting who scored 3 goals for Stoke before instantly being a champions league legend for PSG and now Bayern.

I don't think many people would want us to buy him even as a backup striker. They don't really need to spend a lot on that position. Chris Wood would get 25 goals a season for PSG.
PSG
Chupo Moting played 51 scored 9
Moise Kean played 32 scored 16

Bit of a difference...
 

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