Moyes Potential Replacement

[chicoazul]

Our systems are all in place though, and our targets were identified before Moyes left. All he needs to do is pick up the reins, he'll no doubt have some guidance from the backroom staff that's already there, and I'd dare say he's picked up a few things here and there along the way too. I don't think it's the big gamble and step up that you might think for him.

I also think his name will attract a better calibre of player, and he's more likely to know who's pretty handy and unheard of in the Portuguese and Spanish leagues. He'll also no doubt be aware of who Porto were lining up for next season too, a raid could be on to get in there first.

I think there are more positives than negatives, and he'll offer far more than Martinez would

Why would he proceed with Moyes' transfer targets? That wouldn't make any sense whatsoever mate. He's his own man and will want to implement his own system. It would seem a lot of that backroom systen is following their master to Old Trafford too.

It's a massive step up from having one of the best two squads in a poor league in Portugal to coming to very tight financially ran club in the competitive Premier League and expected to over perform.

How can we be sure he'd offer more than Martinez when he's only been a coach and not a manager?

I'm not sure Martinez is the answer either but if it was me making that decision from a business point of view then I'd be siding with Martinez and focusing more keenly on the appropriate number 2 to assist him.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Why would he proceed with Moyes' transfer targets? That wouldn't make any sense whatsoever mate. He's his own man and will want to implement his own system. It would seem a lot of that backroom systen is following their master to Old Trafford too.

It's a massive step up from having one of the best two squads in a poor league in Portugal to coming to very tight financially ran club in the competitive Premier League and expected to over perform.

How can we be sure he'd offer more than Martinez when he's only been a coach and not a manager?

I'm not sure Martinez is the answer either but if it was me making that decision from a business point of view then I'd be siding with Martinez and focusing more keenly on the appropriate number 2 to assist him.

I think he just meant that there's probably players who've been on our radar already, just not Moyes's type, which Vitor/whoever might use.

 

[Portista]

A question for those wanting Periera. He's a coach not a manager isn't he?

So on top of not showing any proficiency in English football he has no proof of being equipped for the identifying and recruitment of talented players who'll not only fit into our system but increase value over time. That's a pretty big part of a successful Everton manager's job.

I would love someone who's a proven success in a competitive league but appointing him would mean we'd have to hire a Director of Football too surely? Or it's going to be one hell of a learning curve for him having to take control of ALL aspects of the club, something he's never done before. A big risk.

True, the last word in transfers belongs to Pinto da Costa although the coach gives his input - PdC won't buy a player that the coach doesn't want; just like he won't buy a player just because the coach wants him. But the coach absolutely doesn't participate in negotiations himself, he just gives advice and consent, so to speak. Although, as a silver lining, he's learned with the very best.

I recently read an interview of AVB where he says he wants the Spurs to hire a sporting director, a "Director of football" as you say in the UK. Mourinho also had Peter Kenyon when he was in Chelsea. I was always a bit puzzled by the fact English clubs managers have such a wide area of action. How do they have time for everything? Manage the scouting, youth teams, negotiate deals and contract extensions and whatnot - and then all the coaching area on the top of that. It's nice if one is playing FM, but in real life, it just seems strange. In most other countries, the head-coach doesn't have so much power in his hands.

 

[chicoazul]

So basically, Chico, you're saying that Mourinho and AVB are doing an awful job and didn't have a clue until just now how to deal with things? I mean, seeing as they came to English football from exactly the same job - they should've been totally inept at managing.

The Director of Football doesn't do all the signings and everything. Things go through the manag... I mean, "coach" first. Don't you think it's ridiculous to think that a guy just signs players that he thinks could fit in the team and doesn't even consider the "coach"'s opinion on this? If Pereira says he wants to get someone - the director of football's job is to do that, or work in that direction. He doesn't do as he wishes, you know.

No not at all mate. Have a read of my posts as it covers some of your questions.

The problem is that too many blues, and seemingly yourself, have entrenched themselves in the position of one candidate and it's a dangerous thing. Most of them shouting for Periera hasn't heard of him until a could of weeks ago. Not all of them like, hence why I'm asking some reasonable questions about his suitability to those who know about him and the Portuguese league.

 

[chicoazul]

True, the last word in transfers belongs to Pinto da Costa although the coach gives his input - PdC won't buy a player that the coach doesn't want; just like he won't buy a player just because the coach wants him. But the coach absolutely doesn't participate in negotiations himself, he just gives advice and consent, so to speak. Although, as a silver lining, he's learned with the very best.

I recently read an interview of AVB where he says he wants the Spurs to hire a sporting director, a "Director of football" as you say in the UK. Mourinho also had Peter Kenyon when he was in Chelsea. I was always a bit puzzled by the fact English clubs managers have such a wide area of action. How do they have time for everything? Manage the scouting, youth teams, negotiate deals and contract extensions and whatnot - and then all the coaching area on the top of that. It's nice if one is playing FM, but in real life, it just seems strange. In most other countries, the head-coach doesn't have so much power in his hands.

A lot of really good points, nice one. Good point that I've bolded there in particular.

He's got to start somewhere like.

 

[maddison]

Why would he proceed with Moyes' transfer targets? That wouldn't make any sense whatsoever mate. He's his own man and will want to implement his own system. It would seem a lot of that backroom systen is following their master to Old Trafford too.

It's a massive step up from having one of the best two squads in a poor league in Portugal to coming to very tight financially ran club in the competitive Premier League and expected to over perform.

How can we be sure he'd offer more than Martinez when he's only been a coach and not a manager?

I'm not sure Martinez is the answer either but if it was me making that decision from a business point of view then I'd be siding with Martinez and focusing more keenly on the appropriate number 2 to assist him.

I don't think it would make much sense, but if he was that rubbish them I guess we would. After all a coach doesn't have any influence over the players that come into the club no? ............ oh wait :blink:

All sarcasm aside, you're right he is his own man. I think, and it's just a gut feeling obviously, that he'll bring more to the table than Martinez because he'll value winning more. We've seen managers who put sexy football over winning before in the Prem, sometimes you have to just win. I think Pereira would being that mentality with him. Oh and his fake Mrs is fit as!

 

[Marky Andrews]

A lot of really good points, nice one. Good point that I've bolded there in particular.

He's got to start somewhere like.

Thats the spirit mate

 

[DualityNSNO]

No not at all mate. Have a read of my posts as it covers some of your questions.

The problem is that too many blues, and seemingly yourself, have entrenched themselves in the position of one candidate and it's a dangerous thing. Most of them shouting for Periera hasn't heard of him until a could of weeks ago. Not all of them like, hence why I'm asking some reasonable questions about his suitability to those who know about him and the Portuguese league.

I have, and fair enough, but that's just what bugged me really.

I'm not entrenched at all, in all fairness I want this to be over, the new manager to be in tomorrow and to not be any ex-player or Lennon. I'm just more excited for him (and even Martinez) rather than a Moyes-type substitute to do the same; I just wanted to point out that he is a manager, and the director of football helps with transfers, doesn't do as he pleases.

 

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This Chico joker knows noffin baa footy

 

[toffee-boy]

So im guessing bill is interviewing two dire choices to make Martinez look like a great signing?

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Just get Martinez in already ffs.

 

[Marky Andrews]

So im guessing bill is interviewing two dire choices to make Martinez look like a great signing?

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Thanks mate

 

[Marky Andrews]

True, the last word in transfers belongs to Pinto da Costa although the coach gives his input - PdC won't buy a player that the coach doesn't want; just like he won't buy a player just because the coach wants him. But the coach absolutely doesn't participate in negotiations himself, he just gives advice and consent, so to speak. Although, as a silver lining, he's learned with the very best.

I recently read an interview of AVB where he says he wants the Spurs to hire a sporting director, a "Director of football" as you say in the UK. Mourinho also had Peter Kenyon when he was in Chelsea. I was always a bit puzzled by the fact English clubs managers have such a wide area of action. How do they have time for everything? Manage the scouting, youth teams, negotiate deals and contract extensions and whatnot - and then all the coaching area on the top of that. It's nice if one is playing FM, but in real life, it just seems strange. In most other countries, the head-coach doesn't have so much power in his hands.

Alrite mate, any updates ??

 

[chicoazul]

I don't think it would make much sense, but if he was that rubbish them I guess we would. After all a coach doesn't have any influence over the players that come into the club no? ............ oh wait :blink:

All sarcasm aside, you're right he is his own man. I think, and it's just a gut feeling obviously, that he'll bring more to the table than Martinez because he'll value winning more. We've seen managers who put sexy football over winning before in the Prem, sometimes you have to just win. I think Pereira would being that mentality with him. Oh and his fake Mrs is fit as!

I'm more concerned about there being not one standout candidate that unites the majority of the fans mate. I'm sure whoever gets the job will be given time but everyone needs to get behind whoever gets it or we'll face a further fractioned fanbase.

Thats the spirit mate

PERIERA 4 LIFE!

I have, and fair enough, but that's just what bugged me really.

I'm not entrenched at all, in all fairness I want this to be over, the new manager to be in tomorrow and to not be any ex-player or Lennon. I'm just more excited for him (and even Martinez) rather than a Moyes-type substitute to do the same; I just wanted to point out that he is a manager, and the director of football helps with transfers, doesn't do as he pleases.

Do you think we would benefit from a director of football mate? Can't see it myself like. Even discounting the extra salary problem. That's the thing, if you're applying for the position of Everton manager you need to have a particular CV, including a proficiency in spotting talent and developing it. Martinez has that in his locker, even if there's holes in other places. For example loads of his players have ran down their contracts and will be allowed to leave now. Which is poor management.

This Chico joker knows noffin baa footy

Truest thing wrote on here.

 

[BoysInBlue]

Where's this Steve Clarke stuff suddenly come from? Tomorrow's Daily Fail lumping him in with Mackay & Pereira as possibles.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Roberto-Martinez-talking-Bill-Kenwright.html