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Joey66 said:
We have had 3 poor managers - Roberto had the highest points ever in the Prem his football was most parts very good exciting .....I think he was forced to play a past it Timmy Howard & I stated on here it would cost him his job - he built that side on peanuts - not Moshiris millions - He is my choice - he would slot right in .
I am hoping this Raffa headline is just an excuse to get Roberto back much easier, less controversial etc, etc....
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There's a long list of reasons why Martinez failed with us and should never be considered.

1. Transfer market.

He wasted a lot of money at Wigan on players who never made the grade. At Everton, apart from Barry and Lukaku (neither of whom were exactly unknowns), his record was mainly a catalogue of failure; Traore, Rodriguez, Astu, Alcaraz, Kone, McGeady, Lennon, Besic, Cleverly, Funes Mori, Tarashaj. McCarthy was decent for one season and Eto'o & Deulofeu had their moments, but didn't last long. Contract extensions to Besic and Mirallas. Then the signing which closes any discussion, Oumar Niasse.

2. Match fitness.

He inherited a side which was among the fittest in the league, and within a year, our fitness levels dropped dramatically. Often you'd see us losing leads partly because of a clear lack of fitness - a game V Arsenal early in his second season was a prime example, where our players visibly wilted and we lost a two goal lead. Seeing young players like Lukaku and Deulofeu looking knackered after any long run was especially worrying. He blamed the team's unfitness on the World Cup, as if we were the only club who had players there. How often did we concede in the late stages of games?

3. Injuries.

We always seemed to suffer constant niggling injuries, and one reason was apparently Martinez had got rid of some staff members who had looked after the team's general fitness.

4. Inability to drop players who were clearly past it.

Tim Howard is the best example of this; I recall he was out for a while, and Robles did well after a calamitous start. Then Robles was dropped and Howard promptly cost us points with his blunders. It's significant that the defence when he left the club was almost wholly made up of players from Moyes' time, who were all of course three years older.

5. A tendency to lose "big" games.

Losing 4 - 0 at Anfield in his first away derby; losing 4 - 1 to Arsenal in the cup in his first season; losing to Crystal Palace and Southampton when we had a real chance at a top four spot; losing in semi-finals. Admittedly we had the same problem under Moyes but Martinez did nothing to change that.

6. Complete inflexibility.

Sticking to the same tactics when they'd been rumbled by the opposition; there was a pattern of how we'd lose matches, and it didn't seem that he tried to change that pattern.

7. Results

Some of the worst derby performances in our history, including a 4 - 0 defeat where we were lucky not to concede double that. Humiliations against Sam Allardyce's Sunderland. Losing 3 - 0 to Southampton and not making a single substitution. Exiting at the first hurdle in both the League Cup and FA Cup for the first time in the club's history. A calamitous home record in his last season.

8. Turgid, boring football

Despite the claims that we were brilliant in his first season, we had our share of poor performances in that term, and as for subsequent seasons the football was usually a mixture of a few good performances mixed in with a lot of dross. Any win was described as "phenomenal" and hailed as brilliance.

9. Losing the confidence of the players.

It's noticeable that few of his ex players praise Martinez. Distin, McGeady, and Osman have all criticised his methods, and it's hard to believe they're the only ones who were concerned. Romelu Lukaku seemed to give up in the last stages of Martinez's reign.

Most tellingly, were we in a better state when Martinez left than we were on Moyes' departure? Clearly we were not; a team which had consistently been finishing 5th-8th was struggling in the bottom half of the table. When Martinez departed, the only players who could be expected to maintain their form or improve were Stones, Barkley, Lukaku and Deulofeu, and even those players were inconsistent (have Deulofeu and Barkley gone on to better things?).
 
Toast said:
Our fans get managers sacked.

Ive never seen our fans object so fiercely to try and stop an appointment before.

If this isnt ringing alarm bells for the club, it is very worrying indeed.
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Yes you'd hope I have a very bad feeling which is why I'm being vocal in my opposition to Rafael. It would be a self inflicted disaster.
 

Hmmm, rebuild a mid table Everton team, or take the No1 ranked team to a World Cup.

Must be a tough choice for old brown shoes.

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lungo said:
Ancelotti was to Everton what Capello was to England. They were there for the stupid money. Do you think an Italian pensioner over 60 does gives a f... over Everton and England. Money for nothing!
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Ancelotti was paid huge money to put us back on the map
He then consistently selected 2 sub goalies, rather than blooding youngsters
He should have been sacked when he did that
 
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Aberblue said:
There's a long list of reasons why Martinez failed with us and should never be considered.

1. Transfer market.

He wasted a lot of money at Wigan on players who never made the grade. At Everton, apart from Barry and Lukaku (neither of whom were exactly unknowns), his record was mainly a catalogue of failure; Traore, Rodriguez, Astu, Alcaraz, Kone, McGeady, Lennon, Besic, Cleverly, Funes Mori, Tarashaj. McCarthy was decent for one season and Eto'o & Deulofeu had their moments, but didn't last long. Contract extensions to Besic and Mirallas. Then the signing which closes any discussion, Oumar Niasse.

2. Match fitness.

He inherited a side which was among the fittest in the league, and within a year, our fitness levels dropped dramatically. Often you'd see us losing leads partly because of a clear lack of fitness - a game V Arsenal early in his second season was a prime example, where our players visibly wilted and we lost a two goal lead. Seeing young players like Lukaku and Deulofeu looking knackered after any long run was especially worrying. He blamed the team's unfitness on the World Cup, as if we were the only club who had players there.

3. Injuries.

We always seemed to suffer constant niggling injuries, and one reason was apparently Martinez had got rid of some staff members who had looked after the team's general fitness.

4. Inability to drop players who were clearly past it.

Tim Howard is the best example of this; I recall he was out for a while, and Robles did well after a calamitous start. Then Robles was dropped and Howard promptly cost us points with his blunders. It's significant that the defence when he left the club was almost wholly made up of players from Moyes' time, who were all of course three years older.

5. A tendency to lose "big" games.

Losing 4 - 0 at Anfield in his first away derby; losing 4 - 1 to Arsenal in the cup in his first season; losing to Crystal Palace and Southampton when we had a real chance at a top four spot; losing in semi-finals. Admittedly we had the same problem under Moyes but Martinez did nothing to change that.

6. Complete inflexibility.

Sticking to the same tactics when they'd been rumbled by the opposition; there was a pattern of how we'd lose matches, and it didn't seem that he tried to change that pattern.

7. Results

Some of the worst derby performances in our history, including a 4 - 0 defeat where we were lucky not to concede double that. Humiliations against Sam Allardyce's Sunderland. Losing 3 - 0 to Southampton and not making a single substitution. Exiting at the first hurdle in both the League Cup and FA Cup for the fist time in the club's history. A calamitous home record in his last season.

8. Turgid, boring football

Despite the claims that we were brilliant in his first season, we had our share of poor performances in that term, and as for subsequent seasons the football was usually a mixture of a few good performances mixed in with a lot of dross. Any win was described as "phenomenal" and hailed as brilliance.

9. Losing the confidence of the players.

It's noticeable that few of his ex players praise Martinez. Distin, McGeady, and Osman have all criticised his methods, and it's hard to believe they're the only ones who were concerned. Romelu Lukaku seemed to give up in the last stages of Martinez's reign.

Most tellingly, were we in a better state when Martinez left than we were on Moyes' departure? Clearly we were not; a team which had consistently been finishing 5th-8th was struggling in the bottom half of the table. When Martinez departed, the only players who could be expected to maintain their form or improve were Stones, Barkley, Lukaku and Deulofeu, and even those players were inconsistent (have Deulofeu and Barkley gone on to better things?).
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All that may be true he did it with little funds plus got our highest prem points ever - Have we replaced Barry, = No - Have we replaced a Ross Barkley when fit = NO - DCL not as good as Lukarku but hit 20 plus goals in a turgid midfield behind him ....

The foundations are there, a few signings good management & we can hit the top 4....
 
Toast said:
Our fans get managers sacked.

Ive never seen our fans object so fiercely to try and stop an appointment before.

If this isnt ringing alarm bells for the club, it is very worrying indeed.
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Do you realize how big the pitch is at Goodison Park?

No Tom, Dick or Harry can just come in here and think they get it.

A very, very select few would be able to see the big picture.

I could name them but it wouldn't go down well on here.
 

Theoneandonly said:
Whilst that is very true. He could still be approached, but as I said he's had no contact since last Friday when we were apparently offering him a deal.

Every paper has reported on the fact that his camp have got the impression that we've cooled our interest.
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"Every paper"? More or less "every paper" said we were nearing agreement with him last weekend and asked him for some time to assess our options. Maybe we are just interviewing candidates and haven't offered anyone the job? Also papers only get snippets of information so none of us know the full process...
 

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