New Everton Manager

[Librarian]

We’ve seen this pattern over and over, Rafael will come in, results will improve everyone will feel that it’s working for a few months.

He’ll get to the stage where he wants to make structural changes throughout the rest of the club and the feel good factor will disappear like a fart in the wind, results will mysteriously nose dive.

Rafael gets the sack, rumours of bad coaching or personality problems surface, Rafael takes 100% of the blame, the new back room people depart and the old back room people stay on. Rinse and repeat.

 

[tommye]

This is true, they are far more disapointed then we are

They're not.

 

[Thomasc]

Polite request.
Please stop the "Rafael" nonsense. If the unthinkable does happen, it's Benitez as it was Ancelotti.

Hell yeah

 

[msb]

Polite request.
Please stop the "Rafael" nonsense.
If the unthinkable does happen, it's Benitez as it was Ancelotti.

It will always be Fat Spanish Waiter.

 

[Theoneandonly]

Is it true that the hold up is trying to get Phil Thompson in as part of benitez team?

No.

 

[Drico]

Spot on.

They have no idea that's how the majority of us feel. We want a sweep clean of all the failed coaches who have unforgivably and inexplicably survived 5/6 managers.

The officers and owners of this club are utterly clueless of the mood amongst fans.

The problem as I see it is that the nomenklatura appointed by Usmanov to do his bidding get their "insight" from Kenwright and his hangers-on. So we have fabulously wealthy hard-nosed, ruthless businessmen who know nor care nothing for the history and culture of the club taking soundings from people who have spent 25 years manipulating a fanbase into thinking pluckiness, knowing our place, sentimentalism, and mediocrity are our values.

Is it any wonder they don't "know" what the fans think. But, to be fair, I am suspicious of whether "the fans" know what they want. They've been brainwashed over the last 25 years into accepting that Everton is - and should always be - a charity with a football playing department tacked on at the side. In that sense, I can't get too worked up over the appointment of Benitez. Get a similarly proven manager with a better record than him and I'm on board. But all the "punts" that are being proposed instead are just that...punts with "potential". The politburo running our club are not going to jeopardise their investment on a punt. We have no proper fan representation on that board today - Kenwright is NOT "one of us" - and so we end up with Benitez almost to spite him. This is what happens when "the voice of the fans" on that board recommends David Moyes and his ilk as the solution to all of our managerial problems. At some point, the real decision makers realise that there is little credibility in suggestions from those quarters and go full-on nuclear. The board needs a clear out.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Every day I wake up im more unhappy about this

 

[brieverton]

Wasn't there a quote the other day where a source believed it'd be the best appointment or the worse - one way or another - and nothing in-between.

Moshiri choosing Benitez, with all the potential pitfalls behind it, may suggest he does want a direction change: what we need rather than what we want.

Or it may be the most convenient choice for him rather than the club. I hope it's the former... no, I pray it's the former.

We know Benitez is thick-skinned, he'll need to be. But why not use that to stamp at least some of a mark on the club? I don't have a particular issue with his credentials, but like Ancelotti, is he up for a fight here? That's my doubt.

If there is talk of a divided board, I assume it's Kenwright that's opposed and letting that be known. But he won't walk until the stadium is completed and he'll claim it as his work. The club is ridden with office politics that's the issue.

I was trying to remember a quote as well this morning, from my schooldays, about so much suffering goes to waste / don't let suffering go to waste. Everton / Benitez reminded me of it today.

He is coming here, why not pick a few fights to show his earnestness in taking the job? Fights that need to be fought. He can never win over a substantial following anyway. He is I assume a multi-millionaire. He has literally nothing to lose by giving it a proper go here, apart from the ire of the RS that is. Just manage the club in the fullest sense, and tell us if you're being blocked in doing so.

 

[neil999]

No.

Correct, as it is a joke, congratulations

 

[Librarian]

I read about Nuno that he insists on working with his own people and sees anyone outside his players and coaches as outsiders.

Clubs like Palace and Everton run a mile from that.

 

[AndyC]

With all due respect, as a Moderator , don't you think that it would be better . if you waited for an announcement , before offering an opinion as a fan ?.
We have already had the absolute joke of vandalism today.
People need to get a grip.
Nobody knows what is going on. This is becoming a "virtual" judge and jury.

Actually no, I don’t think it’s necessary to wait for an announcement that we know is coming.

And I stand by every word I said.

@Groucho differs from myself in that he’s willing and ‘happy’ to give Benitez a chance.
Personally, I think it’s an appointment doomed to failure and any further managerial failure simply makes the task of returning this club to glory even harder for the next manager.

We’re already light years behind the likes of City and yes, the RS, and others in both footballing and commercial terms… I fail to see any upside in appointing a manager who has done nothing of any note that I can recall since he was bombed out of Chelsea.

Each to their own opinions of course but, my being a Moderator is of no consequence whatsoever in this matter.

 

[Librarian]

Wasn't there a quote the other day where a source believed it'd be the best appointment or the worse - one way or another - and nothing in-between.

Moshiri choosing Benitez, with all the potential pitfalls behind it, may suggest he does want a direction change: what we need rather than what we want.

Or it may be the most convenient choice for him rather than the club. I hope it's the former... no, I pray it's the former.

Past performance may be an indicator of future performance

 

[Drico]

I agree with most of what you say
But we don’t really know what Duncan brings to the party
I’ve been told he’s a really good and respected coach. I know DCL speaks very highly of him
When Kean was brought off after just coming on I thought that was pretty ruthless to be honest and that’s what makes good managers. I think it’s a tad harsh on Duncan and until he gets a proper go at things be it here or somewhere else we will never know.
I agree with everything else though mate. I think your spot on

I love Duncan. He's a great character - and, say what you like, he did tend to turn up against our so-called betters - if not against the rank and file who we play most weeks. Duncan may very well be a good coach. I have no issue with that. But I can't see how he could be in the running for our manager's job when he has no track record. He should go down the leagues and prove himself there. Even a good stint in the Championship would make him a compelling front runner for our job when it next comes up. You are absolutely right. Until he does that, we will never know. But, realistically, it would be a reckless punt by our club to give him our job unproven.

Right now, there is nobody "in-house" who is a plausible contender for the Everton manager's job. Duncan should make it his goal to be that man for when Benitez gets the bullet.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I read about Nuno that he insists on working with his own people and sees anyone outside his players and coaches as outsiders.

Clubs like Palace and Everton run a mile from that.

Under the umbrella of continuity as in staying the premiership...

 

[billyblue80]

The saddest thing about supporting Everton next season will be not only do we have a lack of bond with the players we will have a manager we hate too. What have we got?