New Everton Stadium

[mrb85]

Regardless of the thirty million it was going to be very difficult or nigh on impossible for the Kings Dock to go ahead. The Police and Highways were going to fight all the way to prevent a 50k stadium there on safety and transport logistics.

Strange then how none of them pointed out the totally insufficient transport infrastructure and capacity for Kirkby. What exactly was the safety issue going to be anyway? Falling into the docks? As for transport, you'd have been talking about a stadium with unprecedented car parking capacity within a half mile radius, plus 4 rail stations within a 1 mile radius. What were the problems going to be then?

 

[glorydaze]

My brother, now retired, worked for highways. Apparently the location,(yes the dock and river) was a police concern as was the lack of space to accommodate the crowds added to Saturday being the busiest day for visitors to the City centre. The road infrastructure is obvious due to lack of space to modernise the thoroughfare to accommodate said crowd and visitors to the Albert Dock area, who's revenue would be greatly affected by football crowds.

 

[sd_1992]

Strange then how none of them pointed out the totally insufficient transport infrastructure and capacity for Kirkby. What exactly was the safety issue going to be anyway? Falling into the docks? As for transport, you'd have been talking about a stadium with unprecedented car parking capacity within a half mile radius, plus 4 rail stations within a 1 mile radius. What were the problems going to be then?

That it wouldn't be liverpool in it

 

[mrb85]

That it wouldn't be liverpool in it

That it wouldn't be liverpool in it

You're probably right.

 

[mrb85]

My brother, now retired, worked for highways. Apparently the location,(yes the dock and river) was a police concern as was the lack of space to accommodate the crowds added to Saturday being the busiest day for visitors to the City centre. The road infrastructure is obvious due to lack of space to modernise the thoroughfare to accommodate said crowd and visitors to the Albert Dock area, who's revenue would be greatly affected by football crowds.

In overall terms spending in the city centre would have been massively increased not reduced. The Albert Dock is a visitor centre. But having 50,000 visitors roaming round on matchdays would lead to reduced revenue.....?

 

[glorydaze]

In overall terms spending in the city centre would have been massively increased not reduced. The Albert Dock is a visitor centre. But having 50,000 visitors roaming round on matchdays would lead to reduced revenue.....?

Something along the lines of deterring non football fans from visiting due to the perception fans have of causing trouble.

 

[mrb85]

Something along the lines of deterring non football fans from visiting due to the perception fans have of causing trouble.

There could be something in that, but how many actual games would pose such a risk. 3 maybe. So I'd stick with my opinion that the economic benefits for the city would have far outweighed any downside.

 

[glorydaze]

There could be something in that, but how many actual games would pose such a risk. 3 maybe. So I'd stick with my opinion that the economic benefits for the city would have far outweighed any downside.

I think economic benefit concern was only a small part, it was traffic as in number of vehicles and people in the space bordered by the river on one side and closeness of structures on the other meant no room for road expansion.

 

[joey_macmo]

My brother, now retired, worked for highways. Apparently the location,(yes the dock and river) was a police concern as was the lack of space to accommodate the crowds added to Saturday being the busiest day for visitors to the City centre. The road infrastructure is obvious due to lack of space to modernise the thoroughfare to accommodate said crowd and visitors to the Albert Dock area, who's revenue would be greatly affected by football crowds.

because all the restaurants and bars are dead when a concert is on!

 

[Magus]

I think economic benefit concern was only a small part, it was traffic as in number of vehicles and people in the space bordered by the river on one side and closeness of structures on the other meant no room for road expansion.

I don't think that the Council would have entertained the idea if there were serious reservations on infrastructure. The same goes for WHP - the Council will have already done the homework on infrastructure, open space etc.

 

[mrb85]

I don't think that the Council would have entertained the idea if there were serious reservations on infrastructure. The same goes for WHP - the Council will have already done the homework on infrastructure, open space etc.

Certainly if the KD supposedly lacked a transport infrastructure then so does WHP -- no rail links, only two exit roads, no car parking possible since it's a residential area etc.

 

[Ralphie Boy]

Certainly if the KD supposedly lacked a transport infrastructure then so does WHP -- no rail links, only two exit roads, no car parking possible since it's a residential area etc.

As opposed to GPs fantastic access roads, rail and public transport?

 

[mrb85]

As opposed to GPs fantastic access roads, rail and public transport?

You can get away from GP in all directions. I can recall some time ago (can't remember the context) Merseyside Police saying that GP has the fastest vehicle dispersion rate of any PL ground.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Would WHP be good transport vice

 

[Dithering Dougie]

You can get away from GP in all directions. I can recall some time ago (can't remember the context) Merseyside Police saying that GP has the fastest vehicle dispersion rate of any PL ground.

That's probably because you have to walk a good five to ten minutes back to your car in any direction after the game.