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New Everton Stadium

RobSpurs said:
Jacko is basically right. One of the safety systems failed a test and is having to be reinstalled (lots of internal rewiring from what I understand, probably gutting parts of the stadium to get to them as well). If it'd been installed properly in the first place the stadium would've opened on the planned schedule. The schedule wasn't a problem, and looking at things like superficial cladding (that doesn't need to be in place for the stadium to open), lack of a pitch, and deciding it wouldn't have been ready is just wrong.

If the safety system had been installed properly the stadium would've opened in a 'ready but not completed' state, still behind the initial schedule of opening in time for the start of the season, but September opening was doable without the installation cock-up. Pitch installation is quick, so is seat installation, and internals are basically complete anyway (they've had one small test event already).

Sh*t happens. It's not the first or last big project that's run over, it's just a very high profile one with an obvious deadline of the start of the football season. I don't know who is liable for the cock-up though.



It's Mace, the contractor who are responsible for the cock-up - or one of the electrical subcontractors they've brought in. It's nothing to do with the architect (Populous in our case). You could easily end up with Mace building BMD (because there's only a handful of companies big enough to bid for big stadium contracts), but you're a little way off the point where that'll be open for bids yet.
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Anyone who thinks a stadium needs to be 100% complete before opening should have seen the state of the Millennium stadium in the first few months it was used.
 
RobSpurs said:
Jacko is basically right. One of the safety systems failed a test and is having to be reinstalled (lots of internal rewiring from what I understand, probably gutting parts of the stadium to get to them as well). If it'd been installed properly in the first place the stadium would've opened on the planned schedule. The schedule wasn't a problem, and looking at things like superficial cladding (that doesn't need to be in place for the stadium to open), lack of a pitch, and deciding it wouldn't have been ready is just wrong.

If the safety system had been installed properly the stadium would've opened in a 'ready but not completed' state, still behind the initial schedule of opening in time for the start of the season, but September opening was doable without the installation cock-up. Pitch installation is quick, so is seat installation, and internals are basically complete anyway (they've had one small test event already).

Sh*t happens. It's not the first or last big project that's run over, it's just a very high profile one with an obvious deadline of the start of the football season. I don't know who is liable for the cock-up though.



It's Mace, the contractor who are responsible for the cock-up - or one of the electrical subcontractors they've brought in. It's nothing to do with the architect (Populous in our case). You could easily end up with Mace building BMD (because there's only a handful of companies big enough to bid for big stadium contracts), but you're a little way off the point where that'll be open for bids yet.
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It’s ok, Ive heard a deals been done with a top company called Carillion. Won’t be long before the docks drained now.
 

RobSpurs said:
Jacko is basically right. One of the safety systems failed a test and is having to be reinstalled (lots of internal rewiring from what I understand, probably gutting parts of the stadium to get to them as well). If it'd been installed properly in the first place the stadium would've opened on the planned schedule. The schedule wasn't a problem, and looking at things like superficial cladding (that doesn't need to be in place for the stadium to open), lack of a pitch, and deciding it wouldn't have been ready is just wrong.

If the safety system had been installed properly the stadium would've opened in a 'ready but not completed' state, still behind the initial schedule of opening in time for the start of the season, but September opening was doable without the installation cock-up. Pitch installation is quick, so is seat installation, and internals are basically complete anyway (they've had one small test event already).

Sh*t happens. It's not the first or last big project that's run over, it's just a very high profile one with an obvious deadline of the start of the football season. I don't know who is liable for the cock-up though.



It's Mace, the contractor who are responsible for the cock-up - or one of the electrical subcontractors they've brought in. It's nothing to do with the architect (Populous in our case). You could easily end up with Mace building BMD (because there's only a handful of companies big enough to bid for big stadium contracts), but you're a little way off the point where that'll be open for bids yet.
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You would have thought the electrical systems would have been through various tests, and passed during various stages of the build, before being buried by cladding etc.
 

anton66 said:
You would have thought the electrical systems would have been through various tests, and passed during various stages of the build, before being buried by cladding etc.
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RobSpurs said:
You might have a point..we've been nabbing electricians from Crossrail if you believe this ES article from June - https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...sparks-shortage-of-electricians-a3858666.html .

Actually, I'm surprised the press didn't blame us when it was announced last week Crossrail has been delayed by a year.
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Being an electrician myself it’s a vast trade covering a lot of areas
The lads they got in may have being qualified electricians but not skilled enough in the safety and fire systems areas that caused the delay in the stadium
Even contractors tend to specialise in certain areas of the trade and steer clear of others because of a lack of expertise that would allow them to fully guarantee a job
 

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