New Everton Stadium

[mahermi1]

Michelle has had a shocker there like.

Is Michelle married to Jeff ?

 

[malcson]

More from Tom Hughes via Toffeeweb on new waterfront stadium costs.

• Cost: The project costs have grown to £600m from a previous figure of £500m. What has caused this increase? Can we have a breakdown of these costs? What are the full site-prep and/or heritage-led costs? A figure of £30-40m was mentioned just for raising the quayside above predicted flood plain levels (?).

If this is historic preservation, is it really part of our remit or costs? Is it really necessary to raise the ground level rather than just the outer sea wall, with inner waterway acting as a high-volume flood path? How can there be such a significant forecasted cost increase when the design brief fundamentals via the consultation process have supposedly yet to be finally established?

There are several other current stadium proposals at similar stages of gestation, that we can take direct comparison from. Feyenood are looking at a 63k triple-tier stadium with closing roof. This is being built on their waterfront with some reclamation required. The construction cost is being quoted as <€400m

Roma have their stadium project, also on a historic waterfront. This has the additional parallels in that it is also designed by Dan Meis, with an almost exact equivalent capacity of just over 52k for a stadium construction cost <€300m

I've tried to avoid whole-project costs as they can vary widly. From what we have seen so far, both these examples appear to be at least as structurally complex and ambitious in design terms as Bramley-Moore Dock. If anything, Feyenoord is quite a bit more substantial and technically challenging. Both appear to have progressed further in their respective design phases, at least as regards published images and presentation materials. So are their construction cost figures more solid too? If so, why the disparity?
@davek
# devilsadvocate,
#thetruthisoutthere,
#iwanttobelieve

British builders! Plus there is a big difference between estimates and actual build costs, maybe we are just being more realistic?

 

[Brisan123]

Did anyone else's attendance get affected ?

i don't know
How did the attendance at the scum bowl across the park get on

 

[radiostar]

i don't know
How did the attendance at the scum bowl across the park get on

I dont know. I could google it? What year are you saying? 2011-2012?

 

[degsy]

British builders! Plus there is a big difference between estimates and actual build costs, maybe we are just being more realistic?

Who knows

 

[efcste97]

Was there any issues with UNESCO when the Echo arena was getting built?

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

I dont know. I could google it? What year are you saying? 2011-2012?

Does look like ours took a bigger dip than other clubs, but no real idea why.

I'd imagine financial issues did take a toll, plus people were getting a bit fed up of Moyes's fairly dour football around that time...

But anyway, it seems like a bit of an irrelevance, since the attendances have been significantly higher for the next 7 seasons (and the 9 seasons prior to it). Especially bearing in mind there's like what, 4,000 obstructed view seats?

 

[Sharpies volley]

These world heritage site luvvies haven't got a Scooby Doo. They're the same type of people who march and protest about pathetic causes when they should be out protesting about important things like health service cuts or what's being done about rising crime.they haven't got a brain between the lot of them. They're just attention seeking narccisists. Or RS. Mind you those two types of people are one in the same aren't they

 

[radiostar]

Does look like ours took a bigger dip than other clubs, but no real idea why.

I'd imagine financial issues did take a toll, plus people were getting a bit fed up of Moyes's fairly dour football around that time...

But anyway, it seems like a bit of an irrelevance, since the attendances have been significantly higher for the next 7 seasons (and the 9 seasons prior to it). Especially bearing in mind there's like what, 4,000 obstructed view seats?

I dont think stadium issues were the reason as was originally mentioned, but i dont think the financial crisis was a reason either, seems like a silly excuse when, like you say, it didnt affect other clubs (and didnt affect Everton all the time!)

I think your right when you say it was more the dour football and David Moyes, saying that, 11-12 we packed out half of wembley.

 

[Goat]

I dont think stadium issues were the reason as was originally mentioned, but i dont think the financial crisis was a reason either, seems like a silly excuse when, like you say, it didnt affect other clubs (and didnt affect Everton all the time!)

I think your right when you say it was more the dour football and David Moyes, saying that, 11-12 we packed out half of wembley.

When you say we, oh nevermind.

COYB

 

[Jacko93]

More from Tom Hughes via Toffeeweb on new waterfront stadium costs.

• Cost: The project costs have grown to £600m from a previous figure of £500m. What has caused this increase? Can we have a breakdown of these costs? What are the full site-prep and/or heritage-led costs? A figure of £30-40m was mentioned just for raising the quayside above predicted flood plain levels (?).

If this is historic preservation, is it really part of our remit or costs? Is it really necessary to raise the ground level rather than just the outer sea wall, with inner waterway acting as a high-volume flood path? How can there be such a significant forecasted cost increase when the design brief fundamentals via the consultation process have supposedly yet to be finally established?

There are several other current stadium proposals at similar stages of gestation, that we can take direct comparison from. Feyenood are looking at a 63k triple-tier stadium with closing roof. This is being built on their waterfront with some reclamation required. The construction cost is being quoted as <€400m

Roma have their stadium project, also on a historic waterfront. This has the additional parallels in that it is also designed by Dan Meis, with an almost exact equivalent capacity of just over 52k for a stadium construction cost <€300m

I've tried to avoid whole-project costs as they can vary widly. From what we have seen so far, both these examples appear to be at least as structurally complex and ambitious in design terms as Bramley-Moore Dock. If anything, Feyenoord is quite a bit more substantial and technically challenging. Both appear to have progressed further in their respective design phases, at least as regards published images and presentation materials. So are their construction cost figures more solid too? If so, why the disparity?
@davek
# devilsadvocate,
#thetruthisoutthere,
#iwanttobelieve

Yes the requirement is there to raise the ground level, as has been done on the buildings that are currently being constructed on Princes dock.

It is also important to note that Bramley Moore dock is not just waterfront, but technically and historically, in river. This brings with it its very own particular set of challenges and risks.

 

[Goat]

Think a few people had just had enough around that time, it happens.

I mean we didnt sign anybody in the summer window and only managed Darron Gibson and Jela in the January, coupled with getting beat at Wembley by the vermin, people just think I cba.

 

[degsy]

In the esk's WHS thread on Toffeeweb ( I'd do a link if I knew how)
Tom Hughes @ reply 96 is laying down some pertinent, if long, stuff.
Many contentious points to which there may or may not be easy answers
Like exec boxes - 20 ffs, Villa have 100
Transport, the same transport thst helped scupper Kirkby
Plus others
IMO, worth taking on board.

 

[Bluerover]

These world heritage site luvvies haven't got a Scooby Doo. They're the same type of people who march and protest about pathetic causes when they should be out protesting about important things like health service cuts or what's being done about rising crime.they haven't got a brain between the lot of them. They're just attention seeking narccisists. Or RS. Mind you those two types of people are one in the same aren't they

Narcissists are in love with their own beauty. In mythology Narcissus was so taken by his own reflection in a pool that he fell in love with it. When he realised that it was not a real person that he could actuallylove he committed suicide.

In modern business particularly, narcissist has come to mean someone who is very self confident but also attention seeking, and therefore can be quite irritating. A little bit stretched from the original mythological story, as Narcissus shunned those who fell in love with his beauty, but then a lot of words have come to mean something different from the original.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Think a few people had just had enough around that time, it happens.

I mean we didnt sign anybody in the summer window and only managed Darron Gibson and Jela in the January, coupled with getting beat at Wembley by the vermin, people just think I cba.

Basically this.

It was also before we rethought the ST pricing structure, I believe