New Everton Stadium

[radiostar]

For those of us old enough to remember us winning stuff and being one of the biggest clubs in the country it is tough to admit to ourselves that those days are done.

The football money age naturally favours the London clubs as London is one of the great global cities. Chelsea have benefitted from the BEST location and will likely always have a choice of billionaire owners. City won the owner jackpot and will be big for as long as they remain invested. United and Liverpool have enough historic European success to sustain them, but even they have had difficult times and may well have more in the future. Even Arsenal & Spurs are scrambling to stay relevant despite London weighting and a substantial wealthy % in their fanbase.

The likes of us and Villa are not competing at that level any more despite our histories and may never do so again, at least not consistently. It is depressing but the chosen capacity probably accurately reflects our reality. Neither of my kids have more than a vague theoretical interest in us. We have alienated much of the next generation of our potential support. We might come to think BMD is too big...

Depressing but a fair reflection and comment.

 

[Dddddd]

I think there are more Man U fans in his class than blues.

Probably cos their dads have said they can support anyone but liverpoo

 

[Tom Hughes]

A mate of mine has been involved in kids football training all over Merseyside for decades, visiting schools and football camps etc. Like me he remembers in the 70s when it was roughly 50:50 blues to reds in our schools. He says he's purposely counted the blue/red shirts for years and has seen the decline. Nowadays we're comfortably outnumbered 3 - 5 :1. That has to be unsustainable. The new stadium effect could increase interest, but it will also need success and a lot of it to really turn us around.

As regards future proofing the stadium with uplifts for safe-standing, I don't think we have really gone for it. The concourses for the proposed standing areas aren't particularly large if you look at the cross sections and they also haven't chosen particularly deep treads for these areas to maximise capacity.

 

[tommytowne]

Depressing but a fair reflection and comment.

Reaching for my unopened bottle of Jack Daniels and a box of Diazapam.

 

[davek]

Everton would be better presenting itself as what it's always really been: a north end of Liverpool football club. We have never been that well represented all over Liverpool, and certainly not in the south end. IIRC, when the Kirkby fiasco was mooted a transpoertation study prsented a map of where the season ticket holders of the club resided: it was overwhelmingly in north Liverpool.

In the outskirts, in places like Huyton, Halewood and Kirkby, the north enders who went out there brought with them their football affiliations and we had great support in the hinterland. However, historic Kopite success and appalling Everton club governance on a number of issues has fractured that support out in those areas so now we are, broadly speaking, a north end club...and vying with Liverpool for supremacy even here in our heartland.

The stadium in Vauxhall at least hands us a chance to consolidate in the north end and build out from there in time when we get trophy success again...and we will...because nothing stays the same forever, even football elites...as we know only too well.

 

[Bluerover]

Everton would be better presenting itself as what it's always really been: a north end of Liverpool football club. We have never been that well represented all over Liverpool, and certainly not in the south end. IIRC, when the Kirkby fiasco was mooted a transpoertation study prsented a map of where the season ticket holders of the club resided: it was overwhelmingly in north Liverpool.

In the outskirts, in places like Huyton, Halewood and Kirkby, the north enders who went out there brought with them their football affiliations and we had great support in the hinterland. However, historic Kopite success and appalling Everton club governance on a number of issues has fractured that support out in those areas so now we are, broadly speaking, a north end club...and vying with Liverpool for supremacy even here in our heartland.

The stadium in Vauxhall at least hands us a chance to consolidate in the north end and build out from there in time when we get trophy success again...and we will...because nothing stays the same forever, even football elites...as we know only too well.

I have been around long enough to genuinely believe that we will turn this around. I know how long it has been since 1995 but I also believe that with Señor R we will start to move forward.

I was very cool when I heard about his appointment but I believe that his professionalism will soon begin to show positive results.

 

[tommye]

They got to go into school and hear about Salah, Ronaldo, De Bruyne and have got to fire back with Demari Gray (no offence Demari)

I had that throughout the 70s and into the 80s when they were arguably at their peak.
Mattered not a jot

 

[davek]

I have been around long enough to genuinely believe that we will turn this around. I know how long it has been since 1995 but I also believe that with Señor R we will start to move forward.

I was very cool when I heard about his appointment but I believe that his professionalism will soon begin to show positive results.

The club has been starved of success for long periods historically:

1915-1928

1939-1963

1970-1984

1995-2021

It's not unusual for us to be without success, but inspired leadership will eventually arrive and the major decisions will be made well. I'll give Moshiri/Uzmanov their due in terms of having the determinatiion to get us a new home to compete in and attract investment - maybe we could have done that with a Goodison reconfiguration, I dont know. But at least they have created off-field momentum.

We'll get there in the end. I have no doubt about that. Elites come and go and we'll be there waiting for them to fail and take their place. Nothing in football is fixed and permanent.

 

[Bluestar]

I had that throughout the 70s and into the 80s when they were arguably at their peak.
Mattered not a jot

The difference now is the absolute lack of any success at all. we stagger fron crisis to crisis.

Forget them, it is our own performance that is doing it.

 

[ForeverEverton]

A mate of mine has been involved in kids football training all over Merseyside for decades, visiting schools and football camps etc. Like me he remembers in the 70s when it was roughly 50:50 blues to reds in our schools. He says he's purposely counted the blue/red shirts for years and has seen the decline. Nowadays we're comfortably outnumbered 3 - 5 :1. That has to be unsustainable. The new stadium effect could increase interest, but it will also need success and a lot of it to really turn us around.

As regards future proofing the stadium with uplifts for safe-standing, I don't think we have really gone for it. The concourses for the proposed standing areas aren't particularly large if you look at the cross sections and they also haven't chosen particularly deep treads for these areas to maximise capacity.

It doesn`t help we share a city with the countries most successful club, we could win the league every season and a cup every other season for the next decade and not get near them. No wonder kids don`t want to know, once those kids have kids the blue 3rd will diminish until we are about as relevant as Tranmere....

In hindsight it would have been better to have liquidated the club instead of letting Kenwright get his hands on it and be perenial losers for the best part of the next 30 years.....

 

[Dixieslaces]

The club has been starved of success for long periods historically:

1915-1928

1939-1963

1970-1984

1995-2021

It's not unusual for us to be without success, but inspired leadership will eventually arrive and the major decisions will be made well. I'll give Moshiri/Uzmanov their due in terms of having the determinatiion to get us a new home to compete in and attract investment - maybe we could have done that with a Goodison reconfiguration, I dont know. But at least they have created off-field momentum.

We'll get there in the end. I have no doubt about that. Elites come and go and we'll be there waiting for them to fail and take their place. Nothing in football is fixed and permanent.

Some good points fella?

 

[Dancing Pat]

I know quite a lot of lads now who’s kids don’t support Everton and they say they can’t force them into a life of misery.

I even know someone who’s kid supported Liverpool on the sly.

We’re losing a generation of fans - the only way to entice them is to actually get them to the games and that means affordability, available seats and free tickets for schools.

What a nightmare, I’d feel like I’d failed as a dad?

 

[Tony101]

What a nightmare, I’d feel like I’d failed as a dad?

You would be even tho we a crap and they win stuff. Should always teach your kids how disgusting that Club really is.

Anyway most of there fans don’t have a clue about football. Loads of there scouse fans I know a few of them didn’t care about football but became massive reds that watch every game on the tele. when they won the champions league against spurs and started challenging for the league.

They will all be gone again when they hit a bad patch. As for all there support like cockney kopites will pick a London team again. it’s unreal how many of them now support Liverpool am sure loads of them where all Arsenal fans until a few years ago.

People forget these people follow success so when that goes even for a few season. They will turn there backs. Like many of them did under Roy Hodgson.

 

[Legend78]

I would say there are more blues fans in the city than reds.. young fans growing up want to actively go and watch the team they support they would never get tickets to watch Liverpool... The reds have lost a generation of fans due to lifting there skirt to foreign fans back in the 1980s this has now backfired badly on them to the point locals support the blues now.

 

[blueboy1945]

What a nightmare, I’d feel like I’d failed as a dad?

My grandson, like his scrote of a father is a Liverpool "fan", I say a "fan" as they never go to the game as they are only a 30 minute train ride from Analfield.