New Everton Stadium


Several stadium design elements generated considerable debate among the users in the provided forum posts. These include:


  • Overall Stadium Shape and Design:
    • There was a clear divide between those who preferred a traditional four-sided stadium and those who might be open to more modern or "out of the box" designs. Some users explicitly disliked bowl-shaped stadiums, considering them generic.
    • Comparisons were made to various existing stadiums, both favorably (e.g., Bilbao, Roma, Dortmund, Juventus, Schalke, Bordeaux, Lyon, Aviva in Dublin, Spurs' new stadium) and unfavorably (e.g., Etihad, Olympic stadium due to their initial design for athletics, St Mary's, Stadium of Light, Riverside Stadium, West Ham's stadium, Allianz Arena, Stoke due to open corners).
    • The concept of an "iconic" exterior was debated, with some worrying about the cost and what exactly makes a stadium iconic. Others desired a design that would stand out.
    • Some users advocated for a "classical footy ground shape" over more faddy or circular designs.
    • The possibility of a "quirky" design with different stands was also discussed.
  • Atmosphere-Related Elements:
    • The proximity of the stands to the pitch was a major concern, with users wanting to avoid the issues seen at stadiums designed with running tracks in mind (like the Etihad and London Stadium).
    • The design of the "home end" (potentially a re-imagined "Gwladys Street") was considered crucial for generating atmosphere. Some favored a large single-tier stand for this purpose.
    • Acoustics were a concern, with some users citing the poor acoustics of the Etihad and emphasizing the importance of how sound would travel and be contained within the new stadium. Studies of the acoustics at Goodison Park were mentioned in relation to informing the new design.
    • The potential impact of design elements like a wrap-around upper tier on unity and acoustics was also discussed.
  • Capacity and Potential for Expansion:
    • The overall capacity of the new stadium was a topic of discussion. Some argued for building a larger stadium from the outset to avoid expensive later expansions.
    • The possibility of designing the stadium with the option to expand capacity in the future was also mentioned.
  • Inclusion of Specific Features:
    • The inclusion of a running track (even a temporary one) was strongly opposed by many due to its potential negative impact on the fan experience and atmosphere. The idea of retractable seats to accommodate a track was also dismissed.
    • The possibility of a retractable roof and/or a retractable pitch was raised, with associated complexities discussed.
    • The number, size, and location of executive boxes and premium seating areas were points of consideration. Some desired no corporate boxes behind the goals.
    • The idea of "party zones" or open-air theatre performances in the corners was mentioned as a potential use of non-seated areas.
    • The retention and incorporation of heritage elements from the dock, such as the wall and hydraulic tower, were widely supported.
    • One user humorously suggested a giant trapdoor for away fans and another a hot tub. A gin bar and conservatory were also jokingly proposed.
  • Exterior Design and Materials:
    • The exterior facade, including the use of brick, steel, and glass, was debated. Some found the proposed brickwork appealing as a nod to heritage, while others were less enthusiastic about the mock-ups or specific elements like external pillars.
    • The lighting design was also mentioned as an area for potential improvement.
  • Comparison to Goodison Park:
    • Many discussions revolved around retaining the atmosphere and unique character of Goodison Park in the new stadium. Some fans hoped for nods to Archibald Leitch's architecture.
    • Specific elements of Goodison, like the Main Stand's imposing presence and the "Gwladys Street" end, were referenced as desirable qualities to emulate.
    • The cramped concourses at Goodison were acknowledged as something to avoid in the new design.
  • Fan Consultation and Input:
    • The extent to which fan opinions should influence the design was a recurring debate. Some users felt strongly that fans should be consulted on aspects like shape and capacity, while others believed it was best left to the professionals. The perceived lack of transparency and the nature of the fan consultation process were also criticized.

These points highlight the diverse range of opinions and the passionate engagement of the forum users with the various aspects of the proposed new Everton stadium design.
 
Based on the provided forum posts, the initial public reactions to early stadium designs were quite varied, ranging from excitement and eagerness to see more to skepticism, criticism, and even dread. Here's a breakdown of the initial reactions:


  • Excitement and Anticipation: Some users expressed excitement and looked forward to seeing the proposed designs. They were eager to see what the new stadium would look like.
  • Demand for Fan Input: There was a strong sentiment among some users that fans should have a viewpoint on how the stadium should look. Some expected mock drawings to be made soon and felt there was no reason why the club couldn't give fans some insight.
  • Concerns about Design Quality: Some users immediately voiced concerns about the potential design. One user hoped it wouldn't look like the "withdene stadium" which they considered "horrendous". Another remembered a "hideous design" published by the Echo a couple of years prior.
  • Skepticism about Early Concepts: When some users shared images found online (like the Bernabeu in Walton Hall Park as a joke) or a Kings Dock proposal, others urged caution and suggested waiting for official plans and funding details before judging.
  • Fear of Undesirable Modern Designs: Some posters expressed a dislike for certain modern stadium aesthetics, such as those that look like "space ships" or "tents". There was a desire among some for a more traditional football ground shape.
  • Worry about the "Fume Fest": One user expressed dread about the "fume fest over the final design," anticipating that pleasing everyone would be difficult. This indicates an expectation of debate and disagreement once designs were released.
  • Focus on Functionality over Aesthetics (for some): Some users like peteblue prioritized getting the stadium built over its specific appearance, stating they didn't care if it was a "bowl," had "4 stands," or looked like an "egg cup" as long as it was done.
  • Hope for Modern Facilities: Despite potential disagreements over aesthetics, some users were optimistic about having state-of-the-art facilities.

In summary, the initial reactions were a mix of hopeful anticipation, a desire for fan involvement in the design process, and significant concerns about the aesthetic quality and overall style of the potential new stadium. There was a clear preference among some for a traditional design and a wariness of more modern or unconventional styles. The prospect of eventually seeing concrete designs generated both excitement and anxiety within the fanbase.
 

Daytripper said:
Did you use ElevenLabs mate?
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Thats on Notebook LM, I've not used ElevenLabs. Ill look into it.

Notebook LM is primarily a research tool. You feed it your papers or learning sources and it uses that to provide feedback or answer natural language questions. It creates study guides, synopsis and all that off the source material. The two way conversational "podcast" is created in a similar way rather than simple text to speech.

On the main page you can interact with the podcast as a listener, asking questions to the pair which they answer as part of their podcast. Super cool.
 
Jacko93 said:
Thats on Notebook LM, I've not used ElevenLabs. Ill look into it.

Notebook LM is primarily a research tool. You feed it your papers or learning sources and it uses that to provide feedback or answer natural language questions. It creates study guides, synopsis and all that off the source material. The two way conversational "podcast" is created in a similar way rather than simple text to speech.

On the main page you can interact with the podcast as a listener, asking questions to the pair which they answer as part of their podcast. Super cool.
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Oh, and its free.
 
….Rugby League on our pitch, hope they remember to take the posts down;

World champions Australia will return to England this autumn for the first Ashes tour since 2003, with all matches shown live on the BBC.

The sides will play Test matches on three successive Saturdays - at Wembley on 25 October, at Everton's new Bramley-Moore Dock stadium on 1 November and then at Headingley on 8 November.
 
Jacko93 said:
Can anybody else access this?

GOT (unofficial) Stadium Review Podcast


It takes a few moments to load. However, I know that some just simply wont be able to access it.
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Jacko93 said:
Unfrotunately, as it was extracted from the HTML of the page it was only a snapshot of time, not a live link (Maybe thats next)

However, on positivity and negativity, it did return this...


Based on the information in the sources, it is possible to identify users who frequently express negative or positive sentiments regarding the new Everton stadium project.


Most Negative User:


Based on the frequency with which other users comment on their negativity and the consistently pessimistic tone of their posts, davek appears to be one of the most negative contributors on the forum.


  • As early as November 2019, another user referenced Davek's negative stance, stating, "Kirkby was a fiddle from beginning to end...A blind man could see the difference between these ground moves, give over Dave". Davek's response, focusing on political factors that might have led to the rejection of the Kirkby plan, could be interpreted as deflecting from the positive sentiment around Bramley Moore.
  • In December 2019, another user directly told Davek to "Be happy for once" regarding the stadium and the new manager, implying a pattern of negativity. Davek's response, while acknowledging positive developments, still maintained a degree of skepticism ("I'm just not impressed by cartoons").
  • Throughout the forum discussions, various users express frustration with Davek's consistent negativity. For example, in April 2020, a user noted Davek as the "first to pop up with a negative take on the Echo’s article".
  • The perception of Davek's negativity is a recurring theme, with users in December 2022 noting his progression from doubting the stadium would happen to complaining about various aspects of it.
  • Even as the stadium progresses, in December 2024, Davek expresses skepticism about the support for the Kirkby plan in the past. Another user responded to this by pointing out the "distinct lack of cognitive thinking" in wanting a terrible plan. Davek further elaborated on his negative perspective in another post.
  • In December 2024, another user characterized Davek as someone "always half empty" in contrast to those who are "half full".

Most Positive User:


Identifying the "most" positive user is more challenging as enthusiasm is expressed by many, and some users' positivity might be seen as simply countering negativity. However, tommye frequently emerges as a user who challenges negative viewpoints and expresses support for the stadium project.


  • Tommye often engages directly with users perceived as negative, urging them to be more positive. For instance, in December 2019, Tommye told Davek to "Be happy for once".
  • Tommye questions users who express doubt or negativity about the stadium. In May 2020, Tommye directly asked a user if they believed "that crap" regarding bad news about the club being typically correct.
  • In June 2020, Tommye defended the right to express opinions but noted not seeing "one positive thing about the club" from a user who was banned for negativity. Tommye, however, also cautioned against the idea that "everything you post must be positive".
  • Tommye's positive outlook extends to the progress of the stadium, as seen in September 2021 when another user mentioned enjoying drone clips and efforts to protect wildlife at the site.
  • Even when discussing potential issues, Tommye's tone often carries a sense of eventual positive resolution.
  • In December 2022, Tommye humorously countered Davek's point with a more optimistic comparison to the neighboring club.
  • In November 2024, Tommye directly dismissed a user's negative description of the stadium as "knobEd".
  • Reflecting on leaving Goodison Park, Tommye acknowledged the sentimental value but expressed that those with whom he shared memories would "absolutely adore BMD".
  • In January 2025, when a user suggested separating positive and negative stadium threads, Tommye humorously responded that they liked "the moaning," suggesting a tolerance for different viewpoints but perhaps also a generally more positive personal stance.

It's important to note that these are based on recurring themes and sentiments expressed in the provided excerpts. The full context of every post by these users would be needed for a definitive assessment. Additionally, many other users express varying degrees of positivity and negativity throughout the forum discussions.
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TL : DR

@tommye is the anti- @davek
 
Eggs said:
….Rugby League on our pitch, hope they remember to take the posts down;

World champions Australia will return to England this autumn for the first Ashes tour since 2003, with all matches shown live on the BBC.

The sides will play Test matches on three successive Saturdays - at Wembley on 25 October, at Everton's new Bramley-Moore Dock stadium on 1 November and then at Headingley on 8 November.
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Makes note in calendar, no home game on the 1st then
 

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