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Next manager discussion (poll reset 21/05/2016)

Who would you want?

  • Frank de Boer

    Votes: 302 17.0%
  • David Moyes

    Votes: 56 3.2%
  • Manuel Pellegrini

    Votes: 152 8.6%
  • Ronald Koeman

    Votes: 286 16.1%
  • Other (please state below)

    Votes: 109 6.1%
  • Unai Emery

    Votes: 870 49.0%

  • Total voters
    1,775
  • Poll closed .
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The simple truth is, Saints fans want it to be true because it looks good for us, you want it to be wrong because it looks good on Everton that you were able to pull Koeman away from Saints with your sheer ambition. Who knows the real truth? None of us clowns.

Exactly, the opinions of football fans are very fickle.

A few weeks ago I imagine you would all have been saying that you are right in the mix for Europe, not the time to be trying out the youth. Now that he's leaving, you are all saying he blocks the pathway of the youth players.

In the end everyone is going to have different views and opinions on how good of a manager he is, the things he did right or wrong, and why he left. However, the major responsibility of a Manager is to get results and judging by what he was able to achieve in the circumstances he inherited in the last couple of years, the results have been impressive which is all I need to make me happy that he is coming.
 
With respect, you have no idea that any of the story has any "substance". You have an opinion on it obviously, but you simply don't know if any of it is true.

Where is the evidence that the Southampton board were unhappy with Koeman?

It's not the same "ITK" who just yesterday said Koeman is going on gardening leave is it?

Look, Koeman has gone from the messiah who wouldn't touch us with a barge pole to the devil incarnate who you're better off without in the space of a fortnight with Saints fans all over the shop acting like bed wetting little girls whilst concocting all sorts of weird and wonderful fantasist stories.

It's utterly embarrassing.[/QUOTE]

Edit: Messed up the quote.

I'd like to consider myself a fairly rational fan, so I will answer as rationally as I can.

I agree, I cannot prove it is true in anyway, it is very possible it is all wrong, but in the same way most of the forum cannot disprove it in anyway, apart from not wanting it to be true.

The 'ITK' post came from a saints forum I am not familiar with, so I can not vouch for it's authenticity apart from saying, the guy who made the post is a long time user of that forum, who ran into his 'ITK' mate, again cannot authenticate or disprove any of this, but I will say it would take a lot of effort to make up a post, as detailed and wide ranging as it was.

The 'ITK's' Guan 2.0 and K Billy Supersound (the one that posted about gardening leave yesterday) on Saintsweb, are the ones I am most familiar with, and they posted in March/april saying that in January the board had a meeting with Koeman to discuss things they were not happy with. They basically matched with the ITK story from this morning.

You can understand why Saints fans have gone from liking Koeman to disliking based on the fact he has jumped ship, after saying repeatedly he wouldn't. If roles were reversed Everton fans would be just as upset.
 
We don't have access to immediate cash being pumped into the club anymore, like a lot of other clubs do (including yourselves). We have to try and grow the club without big investment. In the last two years we have had the lowest net spend in the league I think but are now in a better league position with a bigger and better squad. And you think we should be 'livid'? Whilst we've done this we've also paid off some of the debt the clown of a former CEO left us with. The entire point of our model is to be sustainable, and it's wrong to say "what if they had kept those players where would they be now". Well if we had kept Lallana, Shaw, Lovren etc we wouldn't have been able to buy the players that have gone on and improved us.

All of the players we sold have either stagnated or outright failed to step up and we sold nearly all of them for far more than they're worth. Would you rather have Lallana for 25 million or Tadic + Mane for the same price? We KNOW we will lose players and managers to teams with more money and that is why we have to invest so much resource in recruitment, but it also means we're pretty well prepared for it when it happens, and unlike 2 years ago it now seems we might lose 1 or 2 a year rather than 5 or 6. And when we do sell them it will always be for big money or because their contract is running out. I predict we sell Wanyama this summer (1 year left) and Mane if we get a huge offer. That will likely be it (not including fringe squad players).

Good luck to RK, 6/7 million a year makes him one of the best paid managers in the world, it's just a shame he upset quite a few people at the club with his dishonesty in the process of doing it. I think he will be a better fit at Everton than at SFC. At Everton he'll have money to spend and it's likely to be a 2/3 year short term job, whereas we now would ideally get someone in who is a better all round fit for the club for the long term and will buy in to the club's model, rather than constantly trying to fight it.

Little old Southampton had their third top 8 finish in a row, finished just a few points off the CL places last season, and you think we should be 'livid' with the people who have overseen it. That's nonsense

I appreciate the reply and while I understand the reasoning behind selling players etc the reason I say livid is because we have had a similar model under Kenwright, we sold players and Bill pretty much sold anything that wasn't nailed down, I don't even think we own the car park at Goodison lol, all this with shitty sponsorship deals to supposedly keep the club afloat and for what? Mid table mediocrity? Not one trophy in 21 years and in those 21 years we've had a grand total of 7 European placed finishes (one 4th spot) and its been hammered into us that this is the best we can expect, stop complaining etc etc... and personally I am livid about that.

Every club should be aiming for the top and no less should be expected and with the money in the league now, clubs should be aiming to bring the best business men in and aim to get the best financial models possible in place to grow the club as a global brand so they can strengthen and challenge. For me the whole idea of selling just to survive and push a european place is fragile and underwhelming but maybe im over romanticising it and if Southampton are really making so little commercially that they have to sell so many players and cant meet managers ambitions then yeah I really think fans should be livid and asking questions. Are you happy to accept this model for the next 10 years?

I'm pretty sure I seen reports showing that Saints had a bigger turnover than Everton the past two seasons, and they finished above us as we all know, yet how many players did you sell and how many did we sell?

Are the Saints really working with what they have? We were the exact same throughout Moyes era (net spend of 5 million I think) and if I remember correctly, a lot of people did question why nothing was being invested yet everything was being sold. Like I said above the same as big Big Nev said, we shouldn't be settling for mid table safety and mediocrity, the aim should be to win every season and if I was a Saints fan I'd be expecting the same. Should you not be expecting more from your board especially on the back of getting European football 2 seasons consecutive under the manager you're board is happy to let leave without much of a fight it seems?
 
With respect, you have no idea that any of the story has any "substance". You have an opinion on it obviously, but you simply don't know if any of it is true.

Where is the evidence that the Southampton board were unhappy with Koeman?

It's not the same "ITK" who just yesterday said Koeman is going on gardening leave is it?

Look, Koeman has gone from the messiah who wouldn't touch us with a barge pole to the devil incarnate who you're better off without in the space of a fortnight with Saints fans all over the shop acting like bed wetting little girls whilst concocting all sorts of weird and wonderful fantasist stories.

It's utterly embarrassing.

Edit: Messed up the quote.

I'd like to consider myself a fairly rational fan, so I will answer as rationally as I can.

I agree, I cannot prove it is true in anyway, it is very possible it is all wrong, but in the same way most of the forum cannot disprove it in anyway, apart from not wanting it to be true.

The 'ITK' post came from a saints forum I am not familiar with, so I can not vouch for it's authenticity apart from saying, the guy who made the post is a long time user of that forum, who ran into his 'ITK' mate, again cannot authenticate or disprove any of this, but I will say it would take a lot of effort to make up a post, as detailed and wide ranging as it was.

The 'ITK's' Guan 2.0 and K Billy Supersound (the one that posted about gardening leave yesterday) on Saintsweb, are the ones I am most familiar with, and they posted in March/april saying that in January the board had a meeting with Koeman to discuss things they were not happy with. They basically matched with the ITK story from this morning.

You can understand why Saints fans have gone from liking Koeman to disliking based on the fact he has jumped ship, after saying repeatedly he wouldn't. If roles were reversed Everton fans would be just as upset.[/QUOTE]

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As a neutral in this situation I think that post has elements of truth in it but is riddled with inconsistent statements. To me it seems Koeman would have been equally happy to stay as he is now leaving and there is no doubt in my mind that he'll use you as a stepping stone to the Barca job in 3 or 4 years. The reports about some members of the squad not getting along with him is something I personally first heard towards the end of his first season with Southampton, the same with the board not being happy with the progression from the academy to the first time - something that is also evident by not as many young players being loaned out as in previous seasons under Pochettino. And with saints driving a hard bargain in terms of the compensation and nitty gritty of it all that doesn't surprise me one bit when you think about the extortionate amounts they've been able to fleece top clubs for when selling their best players - so pushing for a clause that would see Everton blocked from buying any of their players seems totally plausible (and no it's not an illegal move Liverpool did it with Swansea when Rodgers first took over).
However, if he was THAT disliked why appear so desperate to keep him? Regardless of the fans feelings if the board are not happy with his overall performance then get in someone who they feel would be more suitable in terms of what they want to achieve. Really doesn't add up at all.

That's all i have to say on the matter and I just hope the two clubs can sort it out quickly as it must be growing tedious for both sets of fans. Anyway good luck for the season under someone who i regard as one of the best managers in the premier league (providing it happens of course)
I can't believe he's this highly rated tbh. If in 4 years, with the backing he's apparently going to get, he's in for the Barca job, then he will have had to be amazing here. I see him more as a stepping stone for us than the other way around.
 
Thing is mate, can't think of one single team in this league that has consistantly sold all its assets year o year out that hasnt come a cropper eventually
That's one point I'm trying to make also. It's not exactly a solid business model in football the whole sell big spend small and expect consistency and improvement unless Monchi is your DoF of course...
 

As a neutral in this situation I think that post has elements of truth in it but is riddled with inconsistent statements. To me it seems Koeman would have been equally happy to stay as he is now leaving and there is no doubt in my mind that he'll use you as a stepping stone to the Barca job in 3 or 4 years. The reports about some members of the squad not getting along with him is something I personally first heard towards the end of his first season with Southampton, the same with the board not being happy with the progression from the academy to the first time - something that is also evident by not as many young players being loaned out as in previous seasons under Pochettino. And with saints driving a hard bargain in terms of the compensation and nitty gritty of it all that doesn't surprise me one bit when you think about the extortionate amounts they've been able to fleece top clubs for when selling their best players - so pushing for a clause that would see Everton blocked from buying any of their players seems totally plausible (and no it's not an illegal move Liverpool did it with Swansea when Rodgers first took over).
However, if he was THAT disliked why appear so desperate to keep him? Regardless of the fans feelings if the board are not happy with his overall performance then get in someone who they feel would be more suitable in terms of what they want to achieve. Really doesn't add up at all.

That's all i have to say on the matter and I just hope the two clubs can sort it out quickly as it must be growing tedious for both sets of fans. Anyway good luck for the season under someone who i regard as one of the best managers in the premier league (providing it happens of course)

Brendan Rodgers appointed Liverppol manager on the 1st June 2012, bought Borini shortly after - by all accounts was already arranged before Rodgers took charge and they went through anyway with it, his first buy as a manager of Liverpool was

Dum, Dum, Dummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........

Joe Allen Swansea City £15,000,000 10 August 2012

So yeah - what did you say about that clause that Swansea made him sign again mate?
 
That's one point I'm trying to make also. It's not exactly a solid business model in football the whole sell big spend small and expect consistency and improvement unless Monchi is your DoF of course...

Most buy small sell big operate either in leagues they dominate anyway, like Porto, Ajax, Liege etc or if they operate in bigger leagues then they are a class above other teams finincially like sevilla compared with the lower spanish teams, doesnt exist in the prem...
 
That's one point I'm trying to make also. It's not exactly a solid business model in football the whole sell big spend small and expect consistency and improvement unless Monchi is your DoF of course...

Most buy small sell big operate either in leagues they dominate anyway, like Porto, Ajax, Liege etc or if they operate in bigger leagues then they are a class above other teams finincially like sevilla compared with the lower spanish teams, doesnt exist in the prem...
 
Most buy small sell big operate either in leagues they dominate anyway, like Porto, Ajax, Liege etc or if they operate in bigger leagues then they are a class above other teams finincially like sevilla compared with the lower spanish teams, doesnt exist in the prem...

Very true mate. Try telling that to the Saints fans on here lol. Denial is the first stage of grief!
 
With respect, you have no idea that any of the story has any "substance". You have an opinion on it obviously, but you simply don't know if any of it is true.

Where is the evidence that the Southampton board were unhappy with Koeman?

It's not the same "ITK" who just yesterday said Koeman is going on gardening leave is it?

Look, Koeman has gone from the messiah who wouldn't touch us with a barge pole to the devil incarnate who you're better off without in the space of a fortnight with Saints fans all over the shop acting like bed wetting little girls whilst concocting all sorts of weird and wonderful fantasist stories.

It's utterly embarrassing.

Edit: Messed up the quote.

I'd like to consider myself a fairly rational fan, so I will answer as rationally as I can.

I agree, I cannot prove it is true in anyway, it is very possible it is all wrong, but in the same way most of the forum cannot disprove it in anyway, apart from not wanting it to be true.

The 'ITK' post came from a saints forum I am not familiar with, so I can not vouch for it's authenticity apart from saying, the guy who made the post is a long time user of that forum, who ran into his 'ITK' mate, again cannot authenticate or disprove any of this, but I will say it would take a lot of effort to make up a post, as detailed and wide ranging as it was.

The 'ITK's' Guan 2.0 and K Billy Supersound (the one that posted about gardening leave yesterday) on Saintsweb, are the ones I am most familiar with, and they posted in March/april saying that in January the board had a meeting with Koeman to discuss things they were not happy with. They basically matched with the ITK story from this morning.

You can understand why Saints fans have gone from liking Koeman to disliking based on the fact he has jumped ship, after saying repeatedly he wouldn't. If roles were reversed Everton fans would be just as upset.[/QUOTE]

It'd take a lot of effort in that he'd have to sit in front of a screen and this for a bit , it's not exactly digging holes in the ground . Also are you new to the Internet ? Fantasists and halfwits abound .

It is detailed , if anything too detailed . If seems this source has spoken at length to everybody involved or at least had sources that do . Including it seems koeman's staff and even his brother have broken confidences to bemoan having to leave the beautiful south for the wilderness of the frozen north .

I've no idea if there was a situation with Koeman earlier in the season that seems entirely possible , the fact that you know it and other Itk's have apparently posted it would mean that this fella wouldn't struggle to base his story on that . Who knows that may or may not be true . The rest of it reads like rubbish if I'm honest, just my worthless opinion though . Including but not exclusively an agent hoping Koeman wouldn't read the papers or check sky whilst he was away and see Everton were after him and that he had a cunning plan to drop another client in there for 'two pay days ' . Also I presume crossing his fingers and hoping nobody else in football mentioned it, presumably this bloke will never work again with his reputation now in tatters for withholding a £7m pa job offer from his client .

I get that there is upset that he's leaving but the reinvention of history just makes the fans look a bit sad really . Like the behaviour of some post split when they constantly bemoan the ex leaving whilst spraying perfume on the pillow every night . Probably Be easier just to say he's a scummy liar , he'll regret it & move on .
 

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