Nick Clegg V Nigel Farage.

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neil999 said:
if islam is trying to take over the world why hasnt it happened in the past few thousand years?
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Just because that is its ultimate goal, as stated in the quran, doesn't mean the world will role over. Hitler also tried to take over and we no no no catted it. Islam isn't one unified thing so although it has spread in more unstable vulnerable countries usually with violence, it is unlikely there would ever be a completely unified Islamic attack in the west. They all are obsessed with fighting and killing each other remember.

What I fear is a more gradual, more silent form of 'attack'. The acceptance of aspects of sharia in our law system is one of many ways we are allowing this to happen. Coupled with immigration and birth rates I believe their will be enough Muslims in the uk to make a very significant difference into how the country is run in the not too distant future. If you think about it, it's inevitable. And whether or not you think that's a bad thing or not is up to you.
 
EFCNIK said:
Just because that is its ultimate goal, as stated in the quran, doesn't mean the world will role over. Hitler also tried to take over and we no no no catted it. Islam isn't one unified thing so although it has spread in more unstable vulnerable countries usually with violence, it is unlikely there would ever be a completely unified Islamic attack in the west. They all are obsessed with fighting and killing each other remember.

What I fear is a more gradual, more silent form of 'attack'. The acceptance of aspects of sharia in our law system is one of many ways we are allowing this to happen. Coupled with immigration and birth rates I believe their will be enough Muslims in the uk to make a very significant difference into how the country is run in the not too distant future. If you think about it, it's inevitable. And whether or not you think that's a bad thing or not is up to you.
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None of the 3 abrahamic faiths are unified. The only glaring difference is Christianity doesn't have an acknowledged 'mystery school' like the sufi and kabbalah, unless you accept the element and influence of jesus as an essene.
These esoteric elements are the true aspects of respective faiths, always have been, but when power, authority and greed were added the interpretation and intent of the books of the law were changed to stoke fear into non believers and to threaten external peoples.....
The literal interpretation, taking their content at face value has lead to war ever since, because people have allowed others to tell them what the words, and their meaning and intent, actually say, yet the Torah, Q'uran and even the new Testament were written to be understood by the individual on an individual level. At every moment in history, when popes, rabbis, priests and mullahs preach they do so on brand loyalty and for power retention alone.
What any of these 'holy men' say is pure bollix, the faith, it's name, are not to be presented as a generalisation, if you do, you miss the whole point spectacularly and pour fuel on the fire of your own ignorance.
 

L4Everton said:
Because the powerhouses of modern politics are all such wastrels, "the people" should demand more. "None of the above" is a good start or put the real frighteners on the aristocracy and put the Greens in.
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Speaking as someone who works in the only part of the country with a green MP and a green-controlled council, I would strongly advise you NOT to do this.
 
EFC David said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...bigotry-age-ukip-leader-older-people-anti-gay

Oh Farage you right wing nutjob.
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The issue is that Farage says what it is but the country we live in doesn't like it that what he says isn't sugar coated, whilst not EVERY person over 70 frowns upon homosexuality it is fair to assume MORE elderly than those in their teens/30's etc. are against it as they are from a different time. Same as him saying woman are worth less to businesses in the city, yes its not this nampy pampy "you can be anything you want in the world if you try" pipedream but It is often the case that woman are discriminated against due to the issue of maternity etc., Farage isnt advocating either of those statements he is simply saying it how it is.

The fact is Ive read more anti UKIP stories this past month than I have done the past 2 years you ever ask yourselves why? its all propaganda from the media with the upcoming election but the great unwashed lap it up and still vote for the same red and blue bastards to screw us over time after time I have no sympathy for people!
 

Barkley85 said:
The issue is that Farage says what it is but the country we live in doesn't like it that what he says isn't sugar coated, whilst not EVERY person over 70 frowns upon homosexuality it is fair to assume MORE elderly than those in their teens/30's etc. are against it as they are from a different time.
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Perhaps, but he is still making political capital out of excusing bigotry. Gay people are not asking for approval. Of course many straight people find the idea of gay sex unappealing - they're strsight. I'm sure gay men and women find the idea of hetrosexual sex unappealing but they're not firing off angry letters to the Telegraph demanding that it be criminalised.

Being gay is not like being a burglar or rapist. There are no victims. Gay people do not choose to be how thay are - they just are.

Instead of pandering to the prejudices of the over 70's, Farage should be politely but firmly making the above point.
 
Clint Planet said:
Perhaps, but he is still making political capital out of excusing bigotry. Gay people are not asking for approval. Of course many straight people find the idea of gay sex unappealing - they're strsight. I'm sure gay men and women find the idea of hetrosexual sex unappealing but they're not firing off angry letters to the Telegraph demanding that it be criminalised.

Being gay is not like being a burglar or rapist. There are no victims. Gay people do not choose to be how thay are - they just are.

Instead of pandering to the prejudices of the over 70's, Farage should be politely but firmly making the above point.
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I agree mate but for me I think its more of a case of Farage being someone who "says things how they are" rather than them being his own views or views he advocates I think that's the main point to highlight as once people see that the scare tactics of the media agenda is only half as effective. No doubt UKIP has its idiots but so do the other lot look at the labour member who was convinced he was abducted by aliens and fathered their children etc., the Lib Dem fiddling expenses etc. its only highlighted more as its UKIP
 
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