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obamaism no. 1.

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America is going become one awful place to live imo.

we just elected a new president, not a supreme emperor

he couldn't make it an awful place by himself if he tried

factors like the economy, which executives have little to no control over do more to determine if a place is "awful." for pretty much any policy change an executive makes, someone is going to benefit and someone won't, the basic tradeoff is whether you cater to the greatest numbers or the disadvantaged minority, or as the case was with the last administration, the elite.

at any rate, if that is your opinion, just be glad you don't live here, i sure am (y)
 
we just elected a new president, not a supreme emperor

he couldn't make it an awful place by himself if he tried

factors like the economy, which executives have little to no control over do more to determine if a place is "awful." for pretty much any policy change an executive makes, someone is going to benefit and someone won't, the basic tradeoff is whether you cater to the greatest numbers or the disadvantaged minority, or as the case was with the last administration, the elite.

at any rate, if that is your opinion, just be glad you don't live here, i sure am (y)

America is a spectacular place to live. The country is... and the people are... much bigger than the presidency. Whether it is Bush or Obama, liberal or conservative, the country will move forward.

toffeestillidie, the comment about the last administration catering to the elite.... every administration has and will. They get elected on the back of the dollars provided by the elite. There are plenty of elite on both sides of the political spectrum. Almost all of hollywood backed Obama.... George Soros.... the press elite... I think it depends on how you define elite. Would it be that a well-to-do conservative is elite and a likewise liberal is enlightened? To me, that's a matter of opinion.

The number of bills that Bush vetoed was practically nil. All that spending didn't merely go to corporations. His seeming reluctance to address the enormous illegal alien issue can't be defined as elite even by your lexicon as I interpret it. No president brokered more aid to Africa or aids research than did president Bush. So while we both disagree with a number of his policies, it is a bit disingenuous to say that he catered to elite. I just read where ABC sponsored one of Obama's inaugural balls. Then, as chance would have it, ABC was the only network to have an inaugural day interview with President Obama.

It is my opinion that power and money are intrinsically tied together . Because of that, all politicians are elitists. You can't get to the whitehouse without the money. And because of the money astounding money, they become disconnected with the common man. But that's ok. America is bigger than the presidency.
 
America is a spectacular place to live. The country is... and the people are... much bigger than the presidency. Whether it is Bush or Obama, liberal or conservative, the country will move forward.

toffeestillidie, the comment about the last administration catering to the elite.... every administration has and will. They get elected on the back of the dollars provided by the elite. There are plenty of elite on both sides of the political spectrum. Almost all of hollywood backed Obama.... George Soros.... the press elite... I think it depends on how you define elite. Would it be that a well-to-do conservative is elite and a likewise liberal is enlightened? To me, that's a matter of opinion.

The number of bills that Bush vetoed was practically nil. All that spending didn't merely go to corporations. His seeming reluctance to address the enormous illegal alien issue can't be defined as elite even by your lexicon as I interpret it. No president brokered more aid to Africa or aids research than did president Bush. So while we both disagree with a number of his policies, it is a bit disingenuous to say that he catered to elite. I just read where ABC sponsored one of Obama's inaugural balls. Then, as chance would have it, ABC was the only network to have an inaugural day interview with President Obama.

It is my opinion that power and money are intrinsically tied together . Because of that, all politicians are elitists. You can't get to the whitehouse without the money. And because of the money astounding money, they become disconnected with the common man. But that's ok. America is bigger than the presidency.

those are all good points tx, i guess obama is still sponsored by the elite, just a different kind... whether its george clooney or the CEO of lockheed, money is money. The only difference i can see really, is that the hollywood elite seem to endorse policies that don't necessarily affect them. For instance, most of hollywood are liberal, despite the fact that the high taxes clearly disadvantage them. Contrastingly, the vast majority of high level executives make conservative contributions because the low corporate taxes and low taxes for the upper class suit their personal interest. Its definitely fair to call them both "elites", but thats where i draw the distinction.

when i meant catering to the elite, i was referring mostly to his tax cuts for the wealthy. the merits of these are debatable, what with the aptly named laffer curve and all, but i still consider this to be elitist policy. there's also the issue of the military targeting low income individuals (not necessarily bush's fault but a problem none the less), so many including myself consider the war in iraq to be a rich man's war faught by the poor for the rich man's benefit.

obama ran his campaign on a largely populist platform, his average donation size was i believe in the region of $65 dollars, and he focused extensively on the working class, a group which the democrats have taken for granted far too often.

of course, obama is not the first person to run on such a platform, but i'm willing to retain my idealism until he gives me convincing reason to lose it.

on the issue of Bush and Africa, he committed more money to the problem because the problem skyrocketed in his time. while i still think the amount of money he spent was commendable, i don't necessarily believe this speaks to his consideration of the less fortunate.

i'll agree with you on the US being bigger than the president for sure though, and money's corrupting temptation is no match for the larger american spirit.
 
those are all good points tx, i guess obama is still sponsored by the elite, just a different kind... whether its george clooney or the CEO of lockheed, money is money. The only difference i can see really, is that the hollywood elite seem to endorse policies that don't necessarily affect them. For instance, most of hollywood are liberal, despite the fact that the high taxes clearly disadvantage them. Contrastingly, the vast majority of high level executives make conservative contributions because the low corporate taxes and low taxes for the upper class suit their personal interest. Its definitely fair to call them both "elites", but thats where i draw the distinction.

when i meant catering to the elite, i was referring mostly to his tax cuts for the wealthy. the merits of these are debatable, what with the aptly named laffer curve and all, but i still consider this to be elitist policy. there's also the issue of the military targeting low income individuals (not necessarily bush's fault but a problem none the less), so many including myself consider the war in iraq to be a rich man's war faught by the poor for the rich man's benefit.

obama ran his campaign on a largely populist platform, his average donation size was i believe in the region of $65 dollars, and he focused extensively on the working class, a group which the democrats have taken for granted far too often.

of course, obama is not the first person to run on such a platform, but i'm willing to retain my idealism until he gives me convincing reason to lose it.

on the issue of Bush and Africa, he committed more money to the problem because the problem skyrocketed in his time. while i still think the amount of money he spent was commendable, i don't necessarily believe this speaks to his consideration of the less fortunate.

i'll agree with you on the US being bigger than the president for sure though, and money's corrupting temptation is no match for the larger american spirit.

You would think that (as would I) but last statistic I was was that Wall Street gave more to Democratic causes than Republican causes this last election cycle.

That's doesn't make a lot of sense to me as Republicans have long been considered to be more "business friendly" than Democrats over the years.

In the spirit of civility, I won't go into Obama's "donations."

I'll leave that one alone. He's our President and I'll give him my support although in my opinion, he's not off to a good start judging by this "low key" decision:

Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy - Yahoo! News

Makes me wonder why he didn't come out with a big press conference on this one?
 
You would think that (as would I) but last statistic I was was that Wall Street gave more to Democratic causes than Republican causes this last election cycle.

That's doesn't make a lot of sense to me as Republicans have long been considered to be more "business friendly" than Democrats over the years.

In the spirit of civility, I won't go into Obama's "donations."

I'll leave that one alone. He's our President and I'll give him my support although in my opinion, he's not off to a good start judging by this "low key" decision:

Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy - Yahoo! News

Makes me wonder why he didn't come out with a big press conference on this one?

Population Action International, an advocacy group, said that [previous] policy had "severely impacted" women's health and that the step "will help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies, abortions and women dying from high-risk pregnancies because they don't have access to family planning."

Sounds okay to me, Bill. Helping people not hindering their lives is the aim of the policy. After all, I presume help will be given in countries with emerging or even backward economies. Trying to bring up an unwanted child without the resources you enjoy, could be a disasterous affair.
 

You would think that (as would I) but last statistic I was was that Wall Street gave more to Democratic causes than Republican causes this last election cycle.

That's doesn't make a lot of sense to me as Republicans have long been considered to be more "business friendly" than Democrats over the years.

In the spirit of civility, I won't go into Obama's "donations."

I'll leave that one alone. He's our President and I'll give him my support although in my opinion, he's not off to a good start judging by this "low key" decision:

Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy - Yahoo! News

Makes me wonder why he didn't come out with a big press conference on this one?

tbh that's surprising about the donations from wall street, i had no idea.

and as for the abortion funding thing, Reagan instituted it, Clinton struck it down, W brought it back. seems to be just something every party flips around when they get in office, there's nothing too questionable about the decision imo. and i don't recall Bush calling a big press conference when he reinstated the ban (though I could be wrong). abortion is a divisive issue, when you act on things like this, its just common sense to keep decisions like this low key, because those particularly interested will find out anyways, while he avoids turning off those with a casual interest in the issue.
 
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tbh that's surprising about the donations from wall street, i had no idea.

and as for the abortion funding thing, Reagan instituted it, Clinton struck it down, W brought it back. seems to be just something every party flips around when they get in office, there's nothing too questionable about the decision imo. and i don't recall Bush calling a big press conference when he reinstated the ban (though I could be wrong). abortion is a divisive issue, when you act on things like this, its just common sense to keep decisions like this low key, because those particularly interested will find out anyways, while he avoids turning off those with a casual interest in the issue.

Come to think of it, I don't recall Bush's overturning of it so I think you're right, he didn't have a big presser about it.
 
Reidy, if that's the only mistake he makes in 4 years i'll be happy to take it.

me too, i'd be happy to see whoever wins our election refrain from hanging like siegmund freuds from the cheeks of the u.s.a. also.
tbh i just think it amusing that all the "landmark day of inaug." stuff turned out to be not that at all, and all those people didnt actually see him sworn in, and bush was in fact president for an extended time as well.
i just find it amusing, in the same vein as marseille lifting the european cup yet no french team has won it cos it was taken away for match fixing (i think). oh, the irony of it all.
 
me too, i'd be happy to see whoever wins our election refrain from hanging like siegmund freuds from the cheeks of the u.s.a. also.
tbh i just think it amusing that all the "landmark day of inaug." stuff turned out to be not that at all, and all those people didnt actually see him sworn in, and bush was in fact president for an extended time as well.
i just find it amusing, in the same vein as marseille lifting the european cup yet no french team has won it cos it was taken away for match fixing (i think). oh, the irony of it all.

not quite as amusing for the people who literally almost froze their nads off to see it :@
 

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