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Stevie Nicks Bootleg said:
It is mixed up. Its like crediting Ray Wilson for winning the league in 69/70.
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Not really the team that won the league in 1963 Catterick admitted it was mainly made up of John Carey team, Collins later in life joked just like Bally I never wanted to leave, yet we were both captains who were both sold .... out of favour with the fanbase ...... Collins had a more influential career at Leeds & Catterick many years later admitted he may have been too hasty letting him go .....
 
Joey66 said:
Not really the team that won the league in 1963 Catterick admitted it was mainly made up of John Carey team, Collins later in life joked just like Bally I never wanted to leave, yet we were both captains who were both sold .... out of favour with the fanbase ...... Collins had a more influential career at Leeds & Catterick many years later admitted he may have been too hasty letting him go .....
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what do you mean ‘not really? Collins left the season before the 62-63 win so the letter writer was talking nonsense. …and the player who won his place Dennis Stevens, proved to be a great addition to the team. An ever present in the 62-63 win. Catt realised, like Ramsey the year before with Ipswich, that work rate and blend was going to be a far bigger factor in football throughout the decade, which was proven correct.
 
Stevie Nicks Bootleg said:
what do you mean ‘not really? Collins left the season before the 62-63 win so the letter writer was talking nonsense. …and the player who won his place Dennis Stevens, proved to be a great addition to the team. An ever present in the 62-63 win. Catt realised, like Ramsey the year before with Ipswich, that work rate and blend was going to be a far bigger factor in football throughout the decade, which was proven correct.
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Dennis Stevens turned out to be a dogged wing half - at first he was disliked by the fans as their was no comparison to him & Collins the rest of the players were mainly John Carey's team Catterick admitted that later stating he just made them tougher ......Collins was a class international player - Stevens was not ....
 

Joey66 said:
Dennis Stevens turned out to be a dogged wing half - at first he was disliked by the fans as their was no comparison to him & Collins the rest of the players were mainly John Carey's team Catterick admitted that later stating he just made them tougher ......Collins was a class international player - Stevens was not ....
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I'm not disputing this, I'm disputing the bizarre claim Collins contributed to the 62-63 title win...which is a bit like saying Gary Lineker was "largely responsible" for us winning the league in 87. ?
 
Stevie Nicks Bootleg said:
I'm not disputing this, I'm disputing the bizarre claim Collins contributed to the 62-63 title win...which is a bit like saying Gary Lineker was "largely responsible" for us winning the league in 87. ?
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I see your point he was not involved in the 1963 championship team in fact that is one of the main reason for him regretting us selling him in 1962 - that's what you get when you ask for a small pay rise - it was rumoured as he owned a small holding in Ormskirk - he was even open to John Moore's buying him a couple of pigs to add to his piggery ......both wages & this were turned down.
He was even more shocked when Catterick told him he was too old, & not in his future plans, & yet he was our most consistent player week in week out - the rest is history as Collins was instrumental in making Leeds a force they became ....
1965 footballer of the year for them - Everton that .....
 

Joey66 said:
I see your point he was not involved in the 1963 championship team in fact that is one of the main reason for him regretting us selling him in 1962 - that's what you get when you ask for a small pay rise - it was rumoured as he owned a small holding in Ormskirk - he was even open to John Moore's buying him a couple of pigs to add to his piggery ......both wages & this were turned down.
He was even more shocked when Catterick told him he was too old, & not in his future plans, & yet he was our most consistent player week in week out - the rest is history as Collins was instrumental in making Leeds a force they became ....
1965 footballer of the year for them - Everton that .....
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Well he wasn't footballer of the year for Everton, so hardly 'Everton that'. Strachan and McGrath were footballer/player of the year after Alex Ferguson sold them- he was successful enough without them, so as good as they were, it was hardly a bad decision... and we won the Championship and FA Cup in the next few seasons without Collins... "Everton that".
 

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