MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
Don’t be such a Nervous Norman, Mike.
This will be our year
I greatly admire your optimism but we are going to get utterly abused.
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I greatly admire your optimism but we are going to get utterly abused.
toffee-L
Player Valuation: £20m
The referees have brought this upon themselves by never, ever, awarding penalties when a player is fouled but doesn't go to ground. Every time a player is tripped but keeps his footing or is held/shirt pulled but stills tries to keep going for the ball a referee will not blow his whistle.
That is why niasse went to ground. Was there enough contract to knock him over? Possibly not. Yet if he stayed up he absolutely wouldn't have reached the ball and the referee wouldn't have given anything.
Niasse wasn't trying to manufacture a foul, he was trying to ensure that Dann's block went properly punished - something you can only achieve by going to ground sadly.
That is why niasse went to ground. Was there enough contract to knock him over? Possibly not. Yet if he stayed up he absolutely wouldn't have reached the ball and the referee wouldn't have given anything.
Niasse wasn't trying to manufacture a foul, he was trying to ensure that Dann's block went properly punished - something you can only achieve by going to ground sadly.
GwladysPhil
Player Valuation: £35m
Can't get my head round it, are they using him as en example? Southampton better be careful.
Bluepablo
Player Valuation: £950k
120 matches in the premier league & this is the first case of 'deception' in which the contact was insufficient.
So either:
that equates to approx. 4 incidents per season so there was no issue & no need for a rule or
the FA have picked on this one for some reason, (not big 6 so who cares & lets make an example?)
So either:
that equates to approx. 4 incidents per season so there was no issue & no need for a rule or
the FA have picked on this one for some reason, (not big 6 so who cares & lets make an example?)
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I actually hate diving, and think it's great that the FA have set - up something that will, hopefully, and fairly, do something about it, the worry I have though is the FA being fair and consistent, just can't see it.
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APN_EFC
Player Valuation: £25m
Yeah exactly. Shearer and co. can't have a go at the 'top players' as there's some kind of love in. The only people who might attack the MOTD pundits back are our high profile manager - oh wait - and also our high profile players - Rooney, Jags.ermm... and our dynamic, well-connected board. Moshiri could phone Jim Wh...oh.
So clearly, EFC haven't got a strong manager to defend Niasse, so let's go at him. I hate this level of low-key corruption. Hate it. and then the FA has the gall to accuse FIFA of being corrupt
Coupled with the Aluko and other scandals...urgh..
i wasnt being confrontational at all, sorry if it came across like that.
I'm saying this is needed in the game in general. Some action to stop cheating.
I'm saying its only new to the league and maybe isnt perfect yet.
I'm saying its way too simplistic to jump to the victim card and complain about bias. If people today are already crying about bias when it seems they dont even know yet how this whole process works then it suggests its just an overreaction with not much thought.
I'd have to look at video of other incidents and make my own view.....but are you saying you've viewed them from different angles and they are clearly acts of decieving the officials?
In general I would argue that contact with the lower leg on a player running is much harder to call as sufficient or insufficient contact than the example with Niasse where I think it clearly looks like he went down under the kind of minimal contact that shouldn't cause him to go down.
Alan Whittle
Player Valuation: £60m
[QUOTE="hullefc, post: 5932860, member: 15687"
Dermot Gallagher [/QUOTE]
I stopped reading here.
As a football fan, I don't want to see players going down when they're able to stand up. Shearer's "he's entitled to go down" coming home to roost.
As a Palace fan, meh, how will it change the result? Not bothered.
If I was a Blue I'd be having a proper fume. Quite a few more obvious cases this season. When an Arsenal player gets banned I'll start taking this seriously.
Dermot Gallagher [/QUOTE]
I stopped reading here.
As a football fan, I don't want to see players going down when they're able to stand up. Shearer's "he's entitled to go down" coming home to roost.
As a Palace fan, meh, how will it change the result? Not bothered.
If I was a Blue I'd be having a proper fume. Quite a few more obvious cases this season. When an Arsenal player gets banned I'll start taking this seriously.
2 seasons back there was supposed to be a clampdown on holding and such from corners. 1st game of the season and 2 pens were given against Stoke ( I think). Right, we all thought, they’re cracking down. The next week it was back to normal, every game, every corner. Skrtl for the RS used to be one of the worst for it. The ‘clampdown’ was forgotten about. Stoke, (their reputation probably got them punished) must have felt pretty hard done by. I’m all for clampdowns, but it must consistent. The Premier League are a joke, double standards and hypocritical bar stewards.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Exactly and a while back we were being told the players are being too honest and they had to make it look worse than it was to plant the seed in the referee's mind.
If it was cut and dry simulation absolutely no problem with the retrospective action but this is not. It's a theatrical fall to the floor after being hit. This is going to turn us all into referees calling up to say we have spotted simulation and the other crazy point is just because the referee gives a penalty then you can be banned, but week in week out you can have a player who deliberately dives but because he didn't get the decision he doesn't get a ban. Madness as usual at the FA.
Niasse did go down very easily with minimal contact IMO mate, I mentioned it earlier though, but I reckon the reason why they have come down on him (when there have been plenty of other incidents they could have easily charged someone) is because of the constant uproar since it happened, everyone has jumped on the band wagon, and the FA have now got to look like they're serious about getting rid of diving.
Azzurri
Player Valuation: £70m
Whether he dived or not aside, and he clearly did, there's a bigger issue here for me.
Why's he being given a 2 game ban if guilty? Had the referee made this decision, it would have been a yellow card.
I know a penalty changes the game, but why should he be punished much more harshly just because the ref's got it wrong? This goes for all incidents involving all players. Get caught at the time? Yellow. Ref gets it wrong? 2 game ban. Makes no sense.
Why's he being given a 2 game ban if guilty? Had the referee made this decision, it would have been a yellow card.
I know a penalty changes the game, but why should he be punished much more harshly just because the ref's got it wrong? This goes for all incidents involving all players. Get caught at the time? Yellow. Ref gets it wrong? 2 game ban. Makes no sense.
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