Outsider here, you lot should appoint Duncan Ferguson.

[thebluebullet]

That's two 60+ year old has beens who have only achieved great things with stupidly large transfer budgets.

Each time you hire one of those they want to tear the side apart and bring in their own players immediately, they are practically nearly dead and see these jobs as little bonus jobs to top up their retirement pots, and therefore only ever think short term, why is a 61 year old going to care about developing that promising 17 year old in your U18's so that he can be captaining you in ten years, they never look further than the current season these types.

Duncan Ferguson will know who the bad eggs are, he knows who the prospects are, he's as hard as nails so going to naturally command a degree of respect from all men, unlike Roy Keane who everybody knows couldn't knock out a w*nk. And he has far too integrity to stick around waiting for compensation of it all goes wrong.

The last time you appointed a former player it was Howard Kendell and that went terribly didn't it, can't believe a load of you are calling for the return of Martinez who you all forced your board to sack 5 years ago.

Duncan Ferguson is the one.

That is all,

Norwich Fan.

Nobody is calling for Martinez apart from our senile owner.

 

[Cels]

That's two 60+ year old has beens who have only achieved great things with stupidly large transfer budgets.

The last time you appointed a former player it was Howard Kendell and that went terribly didn't it, can't believe a load of you are calling for the return of Martinez who you all forced your board to sack 5 years ago.

Duncan Ferguson is the one.

That is all,

Norwich Fan.

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Yep, and this was the reaction from the fans prior to things turning good for us. He wouldn't have lasted five minutes in this day and age.

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[helpimonfire]

No one wants Martinez.

Apart from Big Blue Bill.

 

[MockBu4]

Seriously though he probably isn't ready. The stuff we played in his last spell was extremely basic. I can't see multiple months of that going well and I'm not sure where he'd have made progress toward producing better since then.

Hi there!
and when he will be ready? Was Arteta ready? I think to a much lesser extent than Big Dunc. Artera went through a s*** storm a couple of times and about half of a dozen times was on the very edge of being sacked. But now Arsenal is doing pretty well, although they have their own issues too.

What I'm saying is we won't be just getting points if all Dunc can bring is what we saw before.

I don't think we had seen much. However, these four games in the difficult interim period, considering all the circumstances we were in and the teams we played against, ended with quite good results, and we need those results.

My point is if we want to build something here in a long run, we find a proper man and give him some time. We need a man who will work hard, who won't give up, who has an authority, who is passionate for the club, and not just doing his job for the paycheck. Great things won't happen in the blink of an eye, but I do believe if we give Big Dunc 2-3 years he might lead us to something this club deserves. These hypothetical 2-3 years won't be a walk in the park, but we are dealing with I would say at least 10 years crisis (with some short periods of the fake renaissance) so it is only "blood, toil, tears, and sweat" for us to change the situation.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Hi there!
and when he will be ready? Was Arteta ready? I think to a much lesser extent than Big Dunc. Artera went through a s*** storm a couple of times and about half of a dozen times was on the very edge of being sacked. But now Arsenal is doing pretty well, although they have their own issues too.

I don't think we had seen much. However, these four games in the difficult interim period, considering all the circumstances we were in and the teams we played against, ended with quite good results, and we need those results.

My point is if we want to build something here in a long run, we find a proper man and give him some time. We need a man who will work hard, who won't give up, who has an authority, who is passionate for the club, and not just doing his job for the paycheck. Great things won't happen in the blink of an eye, but I do believe if we give Big Dunc 2-3 years he might lead us to something this club deserves. These hypothetical 2-3 years won't be a walk in the park, but we are dealing with I would say at least 10 years crisis (with some short periods of the fake renaissance) so it is only "blood, toil, tears, and sweat" for us to change the situation.

You have to look beyond the final score. The Arsenal (who was not that good at the time btw) and United games we basically didn't create a single presentable chance for ourselves. That will long term not produce results. Honestly not even long term. It would've been an issue very quickly had he continued.

Also the Chelsea game was a level of effort that is not sustainable over two weeks nevermind two months. Nothing that happened in that spell would suggest we'd do well over 6 months of Dunc. Could he have grown as a manager since then? Sure, but I don't know that it is a given.

 

[MockBu4]

You have to look beyond the final score. The Arsenal (who was not that good at the time btw) and United games we basically didn't create a single presentable chance for ourselves. That will long term not produce results. Honestly not even long term. It would've been an issue very quickly had he continued.

Also the Chelsea game was a level of effort that is not sustainable over two weeks nevermind two months. Nothing that happened in that spell would suggest we'd do well over 6 months of Dunc. Could he have grown as a manager since then? Sure, but I don't know that it is a given.

We didn't lose either. Are you really expect that anyone is a bad manager if he collects 5 points in 3 matches in TRANSITIONAL period?

Frankly speaking, I don't know whether he would be a good or a bad manager, but to tell this we need to give him some significant time.

 

[TheBigIguana]

We didn't lose either. Are you really expect that anyone is a bad manager if he collects 6 points in 4 matches in TRANSITIONAL period?

Frankly speaking, I don't know whether he would be a good or a bad manager, but to tell this we need to give him some significant time.

I'm saying I'm not looking at how many points he picked up. His system was closer to 1980 than 2020. I don't think over a longer period we'll see that work out.

I just would need a lot of convincing that he's learned things since he took over last time.

 

[canary]

You're just trying to carve a path to keeping your lot up. We see through your facade!

That's just part one of the plan, then we'll flog you Dowell back as the Championship is his level.

It did cross my mind at the final whistle that Everton could be sucked into a relegation fight, but then you went and sacked Rafael, I was hoping for a few more weeks haha.

Norwich are down I'm afraid, not enough goals in our midfield and too reliant on Pukki.

Never boring being a Norwich fan though, either in a relegation fight or a title challenge of some sort - even had to go down to League One for a year just to show Leeds how to win it :-D

 

[canary]

Well the only big disagreement with that is your belief that anybody at 60 “ is practically dead” . I did my first Ultramarathon at 70 last November, when you get to 60 you’ll be surprised how alive you are , off for a run now or I’d write more!?

Apologies, I was absolutely steaming when posting on here last night, just remembered 24 hours later that I'd even come on here and done it.

That line was a bit harsh and of course a load of nonsense, got two decades left at that age, three if you get lucky, my 69 year old uncle did Killamanjiro last year!

I was talking figuratively rather than literally, but my broader point applies, they aren't looking for a 10 year job or feel that they have anything to prove, so going to largely ignore the U18 squad for what they know will be 2 year job.

Better to appoint somebody aged 40 / 45, who will plan ahead 5 years, perhaps even longer, and that was never going to be Rafael or Ancellotti. Its more about the time left in their career, rather than how long they've got before they are six feet under.

Absolutely bizarre that Rafael thought that joining Everton would go well, surely a man that has achieved what he has in football isn't completely stupid, must surely have just decided the grief was worth the contract value in the absence of any other decent offers.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Apologies, I was absolutely steaming when posting on here last night, just remembered 24 hours later that I'd even come on here and done it.

That line was a bit harsh and of course a load of nonsense, got two decades left at that age, three if you get lucky, my 69 year old uncle did Killamanjiro last year!

I was talking figuratively rather than literally, but my broader point applies, they aren't looking for a 10 year job or feel that they have anything to prove, so going to largely ignore the U18 squad for what they know will be 2 year job.

Better to appoint somebody aged 40 / 45, who will plan ahead 5 years, perhaps even longer, and that was never going to be Rafael or Ancellotti. Its more about the time left in their career, rather than how long they've got before they are six feet under.

Absolutely bizarre that Rafael thought that joining Everton would go well, surely a man that has achieved what he has in football isn't completely stupid, must surely have just decided the grief was worth the contract value in the absence of any other decent offers.

Just retract your statement about loads of Evertonians wanting Bobby "Brown Shoes" Martinez and all will be forgiven*


*Except Mike Walker

 

[barneygumble]

That's two 60+ year old has beens who have only achieved great things with stupidly large transfer budgets.

Each time you hire one of those they want to tear the side apart and bring in their own players immediately, they are practically nearly dead and see these jobs as little bonus jobs to top up their retirement pots, and therefore only ever think short term, why is a 61 year old going to care about developing that promising 17 year old in your U18's so that he can be captaining you in ten years, they never look further than the current season these types.

Duncan Ferguson will know who the bad eggs are, he knows who the prospects are, he's as hard as nails so going to naturally command a degree of respect from all men, unlike Roy Keane who everybody knows couldn't knock out a w*nk. And he has far too integrity to stick around waiting for compensation of it all goes wrong.

The last time you appointed a former player it was Howard Kendell and that went terribly didn't it, can't believe a load of you are calling for the return of Martinez who you all forced your board to sack 5 years ago.

Duncan Ferguson is the one.

That is all,

Norwich Fan.

Haven’t read the thread at all, but I guess the question is…

How did Bryan Gunn do at Norwich at manager? A result so damning that led to a Norwich legend being ashamed that he couldn’t return to Norwich for years.

Bryan Gunn a Norwich legend, but not a manager.

Duncan Ferguson, Everton Icon, not a manager.

 

[Sinski]

Apart from Big Blue Bill.

Yep good point.

 

[Nymzee]

“You lot” always a great way to address opposition fans.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

God no.

As @TheBigIguana stated he did well on blood and thunder but the novelty will wear off at some point and thats when he'll need more than just a jacked up Goodison to push the side on.

I think his last game (Arsenal at home) you could see the Big Dunc effect wear off - Arsenal were there for the taking that game and we literally offered nothing with the crowd largely subdued.

I would rather the Granny Shagger if it came to a choice between the two ex bloos.

 

[TheBigIguana]

God no.

As @TheBigIguana stated he did well on blood and thunder but the novelty will wear off at some point and thats when he'll need more than just a jacked up Goodison to push the side on.

I think his last game (Arsenal at home) you could see the Big Dunc effect wear off - Arsenal were there for the taking that game and we literally offered nothing with the crowd largely subdued.

I would rather the Granny Shagger if it came to a choice between the two ex bloos.

Yeah that's exactly it. What we did against Chelsea was all blood and guts. You need that for sure, but most teams we come up against can match it especially if they know that's all we've got. And it isn't a strategy by itself. At some point you have to be able to create chances, pass the ball, score goals and hopefully keep the other side out.