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So weve got this far, could we outline the treatment you get in your respective country?


In the US with outpatient coverage (whether gov't, through employer or private), it works mostly like you said except patients have a copay at time of service that's (guesstimating) $3 to 40 depending on insurance (specialists will be higher copay around $70-80). Medicare doesn't have a copay up front, but may have after the fact.
Copays will be more if you go "outside your network" for some insurance programs.

If they also have prescription coverage, medications would also have a copay (subsidized as you say). Example using my own: $12 for generics, $40 for preferred brand name, non-preferred $64 -- all per 30 day supply.

Physicians can't bulk bill if I understanding you're meaning. Each encounter with each patient is a separate bill.... a whole days/week/months worth might be sent at one time and be paid with a single payment, but a physician must generate a billing slip for each patient that specifies what was done and for what reason. A lot of physician time is spent in this area as each insurance company is going to have slightly different rules although most follow Medicare's lead to a large degree.
Physicians that don't have a good grasp of how to bill aren't going to last long financially.


Closest we have in the US to what you describe at least from a patient perspective is our VA (veterans) or Indian Health services. These two programs would be almost exactly like NHS - as I understand NHS.
 
In the US with outpatient coverage (whether gov't, through employer or private), it works mostly like you said except patients have a copay at time of service that's (guesstimating) $3 to 40 depending on insurance (specialists will be higher copay around $70-80). Medicare doesn't have a copay up front, but may have after the fact.
Copays will be more if you go "outside your network" for some insurance programs.

If they also have prescription coverage, medications would also have a copay (subsidized as you say). Example using my own: $12 for generics, $40 for preferred brand name, non-preferred $64 -- all per 30 day supply.

Physicians can't bulk bill if I understanding you're meaning. Each encounter with each patient is a separate bill.... a whole days/week/months worth might be sent at one time and be paid with a single payment, but a physician must generate a billing slip for each patient that specifies what was done and for what reason. A lot of physician time is spent in this area as each insurance company is going to have slightly different rules although most follow Medicare's lead to a large degree.
Physicians that don't have a good grasp of how to bill aren't going to last long financially.


Closest we have in the US to what you describe at least from a patient perspective is our VA (veterans) or Indian Health services. These two programs would be almost exactly like NHS - as I understand NHS.

And I can assure you the VA is not that good... It's getting better though.

I'm happy with my insurance.. I pay flat rate of 20 dollars for doctor visits. I go to the doctor once every couple years..
 
And I can assure you the VA is not that good... It's getting better though.

I'm happy with my insurance.. I pay flat rate of 20 dollars for doctor visits. I go to the doctor once every couple years..

p.s. I pay 28 dollars a week for a family plan which covers health/dental/vision. I have no problem with this..

I do however have a problem with Federal income tax.. Abolish that and see how many people complain about 30 bucks a week for insurance. My guess is no one will complain. Except of course the people who won't work.
 

And I can assure you the VA is not that good... It's getting better though.

Didn't say as good, just meant in how they are set up. I've worked in VA's and have gone with my dad for his visits so have seen them from both sides. They are hit and miss, but as you say getting better overall. One of the bigger issues was they were being overwhelmed. They'd been cutting back as we lost more and more WWII vets. Korea/Vietnam era are a much smaller group. Didn't ramp up personnel for Gulf War I so when Vets from Iran/Afghanistan came piling in, they were overrun especially in women's health.
 
p.s. I pay 28 dollars a week for a family plan which covers health/dental/vision. I have no problem with this..

I do however have a problem with Federal income tax.. Abolish that and see how many people complain about 30 bucks a week for insurance. My guess is no one will complain. Except of course the people who won't work.

$28 per week? Please tell me where you work so I can apply.
 
So, where you work they have health plans you pay into?

Forgive my ignorance, anyone know how that happened? I see it in movies and TV all the time but never really thought about it. That your Workplace has anything to do with your Health Insurance other than insuring you for any accidents seems weird.
 
You pay into a group health at work, insurance works with the companies to set a better price for a bulk of users. In huge corporations, they get even better deals, locally around my parts, Boeing with about 60k workers in the area get even better deals made even sweeter through unions. However, big companies with low profit margins (i.e. Walmart) don't offer very good insurance and few buy into it because of their already low wages and most of them are only working there temporarily anyways. Personally I work for a very large architecture/development/construction firm so we have few employees and large margins, our company provides 100% coverage starting 6 months into employment. Others do the same around here, I know Microsoft and Valve Software do.

It should also be noted that all federal and state workers (i.e. teachers) get top notch insurance with their jobs.
 

NHS is brilliant. Pay for my apendix? Pah! I get it out for free bitches. I make 6 quid an hour (plus bonus but w/e) and do I have to worry if I get cancer? No! I get that **** sorted for free. Rule Britannia.
 
So, where you work they have health plans you pay into?

Forgive my ignorance, anyone know how that happened? I see it in movies and TV all the time but never really thought about it. That your Workplace has anything to do with your Health Insurance other than insuring you for any accidents seems weird.

I believe it started as a competitive edge for employers during WWII. A way to make a position more attractive by adding benefits: life insurance, retirement plan, vacation days, health insurance, etc. The benefits package that comes with a job can still be a big selling point.
 
Come on. You know it doesn't only benefit rich people, even the lower end of middle-income can pay for good insurance, whether they chose to or not is a different issue all together, but the majority of Americans can pay for good health insurance.

Made homeless, no food, no job, but somehow can still keep the insurance topped up. I could pay for 5 season tickets and go myself to every away - but that means doing nothing else in my life except breathing. One of the stats of the program went that single income families are surviving on about $11k a year. About £7k here in the UK. The issue highlights not the poverty line, but the extreme poverty line where in the land of the brave and the home of the free that home is a shanty town of tents.
 
So, where you work they have health plans you pay into?

Forgive my ignorance, anyone know how that happened? I see it in movies and TV all the time but never really thought about it. That your Workplace has anything to do with your Health Insurance other than insuring you for any accidents seems weird.

It seems Peter & Paul syndrome to me, on one hand you work with your employer to contribute towards a pensions pot, on the other you may have to pay into a medicare insurance pool for yourself and whoever else you need to cover (if you are lucky enough to have that option and earn enough to take it), but that might mean you have to either pay a top up privately for more medic insurance or pay a for a private pension or worse still, have to pay both and expect to survive day to day.
 

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