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Por-tu-gal v Brasil

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Alan Hansen showing us how the unusual 4-2-3-1 works.

Two holding midfielders, jesus Christ. This is the best we have to offer? Good job the Clarence is there balancing things out a bit.
 
4 2 3 1 is being adopted by many top teams in Europe, it proved to be effective for many of them. What makes you dislike this formation?
 
Who said I don't like it?

The pundits seemed to be of the opinion that it was some sort of unusual system that is rarely used. As you say, it's used throughout world football. It's poor punditry, I have no problem with the formation.
 
The punditry is dull. The droning monotones of Shearer, Hanson and Lineker make ol' Clarence sound like Timmy Mallet on phet.
 

Misunderstood your comment mate. It's a very successful continental formation. The Italian tried it first and the Spanish refine it to greater success. Teams like Brazil are adopting it as well, proving ever more popular. I hope Moyes adopt it in the near future. Need quality attacking players to make it work tho.
 
that Coentrao does look the business, can we get him and make him right footed?

I want goals in this game!!
 
Axlswhk said:
Misunderstood your comment mate. It's a very successful continental formation. The Italian tried it first and the Spanish refine it to greater success. Teams like Brazil are adopting it as well, proving ever more popular. I hope Moyes adopt it in the near future. Need quality attacking players to make it work tho.
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But we are basically using this formation - first had a defensive version of this tactic (having Carsley and Neville as DMs) which is used by Brasil (although there's is a strong argument their formation is not 4-2-3-1 after all), and now using more attacking version of this tactic (having one classic DM and one deep lying playmaker, who also is doing plenty of defensive work), which is for example used by Holland.

I also have a feeling that it was formation created actually by Spaniards, I think by former Celta Vigo coach, or some other mid-low level La Liga club at that time.

Edit: Found an article about it (TTB - check your inbox):
The first to deploy the new formation self-consciously, at least according to the Spanish coaching magazine Training Football, was the Real Sociedad coach Juanma Lillo while he was in charge of the Segunda Division side Cultural Leonesa in 1991-92. "My intention was to pressure and to try to steal the ball high up the pitch," he explained.

"It was the most symmetrical way I could find of playing with four forwards. One of the great advantages is that having the forwards high allows you to play the midfield high and the defence high, so everybody benefits. But you have to have the right players. They have to be very, very mobile and they have to be able to play when they get the ball. You have to remember that they're pressuring to play, not playing to pressure."

At Leonesa, Lillo had Sami and Teofilo Abajo as his two pivots (the system in Spain is known as the "doble pivot"), with Carlos Nunez, Ortiz and Moreno in front of them and Latapia as the lone forward. Seeing the success of the system Lillo took it to Salamanca. There, according to an editorial in Training Futbol, the players reacted with "faces of incredulity because they thought it was a strange way to play; they responded to the positions they were told to adopt and the distribution of each line of the team with the same sense of strangeness and surprise as someone who had just come face to face with a dinosaur." Nonetheless, it took them to promotion.

The formation rapidly spread. Javier Irureta had been using it with Deportivo la Coruna for a couple of seasons before they won the league title in 2000, and when John Toshack returned to Real Madrid in 1999, he deployed Geremi and Fernando Redondo as his holding midfielders, with Steve McManaman, Raul and Elvir Baljic in front of them and either Anelka or Fernando Morientes as the lone striker.

4-2-3-1's transfer to England – at least in terms of a recognition of it as something distinct from 4-4-2 – came with Manchester United as an emphatic 3-2 home defeat by Real Madrid in the Champions League in 1999-2000 convinced Sir Alex Ferguson that the more orthodox 4-4-2 he had employed to win the treble the previous season had had its day in European competition (although he maintains, with some justification, that he has never played 4-4-2, but has always used split forwards).
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Only thing good about this game is the snidey tactics both are adopting. Lots of bad tackles going down. Game itself is seriously dull.
 
Fantastic first half from these two. Brasil just shading it with 4 snidey challenges and a hand ball to one Portugese dive and an achilles rake. The Beautiful Game.

To be fair Eduardo's save was the only real thing of note for me. That and Maicon is bloody quick.
 

Seems like Maicon has tons of space every time on that right side when he moves up but they dont press it....not sure why...he's been standing alone there all game it seems..

just now they push it on that side...
 
I actually took the afternoon off work for this. What a bag of garbage it turned out to be.

I think if it was the first game in the group it would have had the flair, but no one played like they wanted to win. Probably as Brazil had already qualified.
 

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