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2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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Saint Domingo said:
Fair enough if you just want Benitez out.
But could we really please stop the ridiculous excuses for it:

We’ll be relegated (highly unlikely)
He’s alienating our best players (no player at Everton is anywhere near good enough for any fan to be arsed about if they left tomorrow)
He’s fallen out with the staff at the club (from the evidence of the past 7 years the staff at the club are completely incompetent so again no tears would be shed over that)

The results aren’t good enough. That for me is the only reason from anything we’ve seen so far that would call for a dismissal. It then gets into the question of why the results aren’t good enough. For me, and it was the same as when we started losing under Ancelotti, the players simply cannot execute basic tactical instructions and even worse will make multiple game fatal mistakes in any given match. If we switch manager, these players are still here and what assurance is there they don’t do it again (considering they have for the last 5 managers?). If the players leave we at least have a chance of improving.

My strategy would be to give Benitez the January window and see if results have improved going into next year. If they haven’t then we will need to make a change. If we make a change now though then every player who thought they were at risk in January or the summer is just laughing their cock off at Everton and is probably telling their agent to push for a one year extension amongst the turmoil.
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Everton have conceded thirteen times in their last five games, and haven't managed an away clean sheet since back in August

Everton have conceded the first goal in 12 out of 16 games this season

All relegation form
 
Saint Domingo said:
Fair enough if you just want Benitez out.
But could we really please stop the ridiculous excuses for it:

We’ll be relegated (highly unlikely)
He’s alienating our best players (no player at Everton is anywhere near good enough for any fan to be arsed about if they left tomorrow)
He’s fallen out with the staff at the club (from the evidence of the past 7 years the staff at the club are completely incompetent so again no tears would be shed over that)

The results aren’t good enough. That for me is the only reason from anything we’ve seen so far that would call for a dismissal. It then gets into the question of why the results aren’t good enough. For me, and it was the same as when we started losing under Ancelotti, the players simply cannot execute basic tactical instructions and even worse will make multiple game fatal mistakes in any given match. If we switch manager, these players are still here and what assurance is there they don’t do it again (considering they have for the last 5 managers?). If the players leave we at least have a chance of improving.

My strategy would be to give Benitez the January window and see if results have improved going into next year. If they haven’t then we will need to make a change. If we make a change now though then every player who thought they were at risk in January or the summer is just laughing their cock off at Everton and is probably telling their agent to push for a one year extension amongst the turmoil.
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Giving a manager funds but then saying if things don't improve we will have to sack, is extremely risky. That argument seems baffling to me. Why back someone you think you will have to sack?

Why not bring in a new manager and let them build?

Any money spent by this clueless manager in January will be a complete waste because he won't be here long term.

Realistically, anyone Benitez signs he will then fall out with after about 2 weeks because he loves arguments and conflict. He's an arrogant, stubborn man who I have no interest in pandering to.
 
Yesterday was the day unfortunately. Like many others I've thought it was the right thing to do to give him time and let him try and fix us over a number of windows with a bit of money to spend.

But you have to take a step back at some point and look at what's happening in the here and now. There wasn't a Kopite or Geordie who didn't tell us in the summer that he'd 'get us organised.' I was so attracted to the idea of boring stability. Just make us a normal, boring football team instead of a screaming mental wreck, and then build from there under the stewardship of, whatever else you might say about him, an experienced, credible manager.

3-4 months in, look at the state of us, honestly. Yesterday was bad enough in isolation but on the heels of Brentford, shipping 5 at home to Watford, abject surrender at Wolves and Aston Villa, and ultimately just the raw data - 1 win in 10, 4 points from 30. Setting up to defend and counter when we can't defend, or counter. Falling out with players all over the shop and yesterday losing the few fans he had left onside. How can you possibly make a case for him to stay?

Think someone else said a few pages ago and I hadn't thought about it like this, but take aside who he is and his past and imagine he's some young hipster we'd appointed from the continent. There's absolutely no way this would be allowed to continue. The situation is disastrous and toxic in every imaginable way.

Unfortunately he probably won't get sacked because there's a total vacuum of leadership and direction throughout the club and he's the only one who seems to be saying he has a plan - however flawed - to salvage anything from it. Sacking him would be an admission from Moshiri that he hasn't got a clue and I don't think he has a) the humility, b) the financial wiggle room or c) the first clue what he'd do next.
 

davek said:
3 points from the last 6, and 2 points off midtable, and 3 points off top half of the table.

See what I did there? What you and others have done: chosen stats to prove a point.
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There are three stats that matter....

1) 14th place
2) 18 points from 48
3) Knocked out of the cup by QPR

Dress other stats up as much as you like, but these are the only ones that matter. And they are shocking statisitics. Unacceptable and all our previous managers were sacked for much less. Why is this kopite being held to lower standards? Is it because he is incompetent?
 
Saint Domingo said:
Fair enough if you just want Benitez out.
But could we really please stop the ridiculous excuses for it:

We’ll be relegated (highly unlikely)
He’s alienating our best players (no player at Everton is anywhere near good enough for any fan to be arsed about if they left tomorrow)
He’s fallen out with the staff at the club (from the evidence of the past 7 years the staff at the club are completely incompetent so again no tears would be shed over that)

The results aren’t good enough. That for me is the only reason from anything we’ve seen so far that would call for a dismissal. It then gets into the question of why the results aren’t good enough. For me, and it was the same as when we started losing under Ancelotti, the players simply cannot execute basic tactical instructions and even worse will make multiple game fatal mistakes in any given match. If we switch manager, these players are still here and what assurance is there they don’t do it again (considering they have for the last 5 managers?). If the players leave we at least have a chance of improving.

My strategy would be to give Benitez the January window and see if results have improved going into next year. If they haven’t then we will need to make a change. If we make a change now though then every player who thought they were at risk in January or the summer is just laughing their cock off at Everton and is probably telling their agent to push for a one year extension amongst the turmoil.
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This summarises my feelings too. I fully agree.
 

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