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Would be interested to see what the rest of you think...
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Rob
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My initial reaction is to deport every single [Poor language removed] one of them involved back to pakistan or iran or wherever.
How dare they threaten the queen and burn our flag, who the [Poor language removed] do they think they are, I hope they got arrested.
The Queen can do whatever she likes with her knighthoods and who the [Poor language removed] are you lot to say she can't, if you don't like what saldam rushdie wrote, don't read it, you know when people react this strongly against something it usually means someone has hit the nail on the head.
Deport the bastards, that or take them out into the pacific and lose them over the side.
How dare they threaten the queen and burn our flag, who the [Poor language removed] do they think they are, I hope they got arrested.
The Queen can do whatever she likes with her knighthoods and who the [Poor language removed] are you lot to say she can't, if you don't like what saldam rushdie wrote, don't read it, you know when people react this strongly against something it usually means someone has hit the nail on the head.
Deport the bastards, that or take them out into the pacific and lose them over the side.
Glad to see am not the only one. The BNP are starting to look more appealing year after year.
Rob
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I just can't believe that they thought this would be a good thing, it makes them look so bad.
Every average man woman and child up and down the country is going to see an asian as a English hating flag burning facist now.
Way to go.
Well, they say you lose brain cells faster than you replace them as you get older.
Guess I'm alone in finding any irony in the English being outraged at the desecration of a symbol of faith in this particular case then...
And this, Mr Rob_Japan, puts your argument at the level of those that you are protesting against. FACT.
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It's a ridiculous situation. I've read several Salman Rushdie books, including the Satanic Verses and found them to be very good stories but have done nothing to change my view of Islam or Muslim people.
What does however influence my views on the faith is the constant over-reaction of organisations in the middle-east over things such as this and the Danish cartoons published last year. If they seriously want to get their point across then they need to stop being so precious and worrying about such trivial matters and start discussing what's really important.
When you add in that his books are often contained within the realm of magic and mysticism this whole episode is just as gross an over-reaction as that which greeted the publication of Satanic Verses.
It would be interesting to see whether those protesting against the award have actually read any of his works or whether they are merely using the event as yet another excuse to take to the streets and burn things in the same way as the Shilpa Shetty incident or the latest performance of the Pakistan cricket team seem to incite.
I am certain that the muslim world contains a great many outstanding minds that are capable of contributing enormously to the global society, all of which makes it so unfortunate that a juvenile minority seem to dominate the public perception of the faith.
To draw a parallel with modern times, albeit in a non-religious context, Estonia recently removed a Russian war memorial because they believed it was not right to celebrate the Stalinist regime that brutalised the country so. Upon doing so Russia whipped up a storm against the country, inciting riots both in Russia and Estonia and attacking many Estonian websites. What should Estonia do, stick up for their principles or bow to Russian pressure?
It's probably fair to say that both incidents could have been expected so what do you do? Which would you say is more inciteful, a book written over 25 years ago or a leading politician vindicating terrorist acts? Iran has said many times that it wishes to wipe out Israel, yet gets its knickers in a knot over a book.
Please, some people need a serious reality check here. There are no doubt issues of genuine concern for Muslims around the world but this regular uproar over trivial matters does nothing to encourage the west to deal with them sensibly. I mean people took to the streets to burn efigees of Richard Gere because he kissed Shilpa Shetty on the cheek. It's bordering on the ridiculous and does the fine and respectable people of those nations no credit whatsoever.
What does however influence my views on the faith is the constant over-reaction of organisations in the middle-east over things such as this and the Danish cartoons published last year. If they seriously want to get their point across then they need to stop being so precious and worrying about such trivial matters and start discussing what's really important.
When you add in that his books are often contained within the realm of magic and mysticism this whole episode is just as gross an over-reaction as that which greeted the publication of Satanic Verses.
It would be interesting to see whether those protesting against the award have actually read any of his works or whether they are merely using the event as yet another excuse to take to the streets and burn things in the same way as the Shilpa Shetty incident or the latest performance of the Pakistan cricket team seem to incite.
I am certain that the muslim world contains a great many outstanding minds that are capable of contributing enormously to the global society, all of which makes it so unfortunate that a juvenile minority seem to dominate the public perception of the faith.
To draw a parallel with modern times, albeit in a non-religious context, Estonia recently removed a Russian war memorial because they believed it was not right to celebrate the Stalinist regime that brutalised the country so. Upon doing so Russia whipped up a storm against the country, inciting riots both in Russia and Estonia and attacking many Estonian websites. What should Estonia do, stick up for their principles or bow to Russian pressure?
It's probably fair to say that both incidents could have been expected so what do you do? Which would you say is more inciteful, a book written over 25 years ago or a leading politician vindicating terrorist acts? Iran has said many times that it wishes to wipe out Israel, yet gets its knickers in a knot over a book.
Please, some people need a serious reality check here. There are no doubt issues of genuine concern for Muslims around the world but this regular uproar over trivial matters does nothing to encourage the west to deal with them sensibly. I mean people took to the streets to burn efigees of Richard Gere because he kissed Shilpa Shetty on the cheek. It's bordering on the ridiculous and does the fine and respectable people of those nations no credit whatsoever.
And who creates the public perception? And who benefits from that perception?
I believe the issue was initially sparked by a leading Pakistani politician saying he would understand if someone decided to blow up Salman Rushdie or conduct some other act of terrorism.
I appreciate that there are often two sides to every story and that the media have their own agenda also but when a leading member of government advocates such responses it is wholly inappropriate.
I appreciate that there are often two sides to every story and that the media have their own agenda also but when a leading member of government advocates such responses it is wholly inappropriate.
I agree with you entirely on that (although we are moving away from the flag-burning which Danny mentioned to start this thread).
But I find it interesting how certain countries and nationalities are constantly featured in these types of stories, while others with the same or more extreme views are notable by their absence.
Fill in the blanks:
1) Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from __________?
2) Osama Bin Laden comes from _____________?
3) Most of the more extreme Muslim support organisations have funding from _________?
Indeed.
Bruce this is a very bad example. Russia should be right to have whipped up a storm. Russian(Soviet)soldiers fought and died doing their part in the defeat of Hitler. While I am obviously patriotic, I am also sensible enough to know that if there hadn't been an Eastern Front, there would be a good chance the war wouldn't have ended when it did and how it did.
So those soldiers did their part and now Estonia is allowed to remove war memorials that are there to remember the part those soldiers did? I don't care what Stalin did after the war (not in this sense) those soldiers deserve to be remembered and HONORED where they fell.
And all this flag burning malarkey......well, welcome to my world. Muslims have been burning US flags and proclaiming us the 'Great Satan' for decades.
The BNP are never going to be appealing. Ever.
You seriously think Russia was protecting the memory of soldiers killed in WW2? After all, the memorial wasn't disposed of but merely moved to a Russian war cemetary because the site attracted nationalist troubles between Estonians and ethnic Russians. Lets not forget that this is the same Russia that has taken every opportunity to bully former Soviet satellites, be it cutting off power to Georgia or influencing elections in Ukraine.
Considering that soldiers and other members of the military are merely tools of the state to which they serve I think it wholly justified to wish to give less prominence to a man who was conservatively estimated to have killed 20 million of his own people during his reign. Lets also not forget that Estonia was forcably occupied by the USSR in 1940 before the Nazis occupied it the year after.
Rob
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How does it lower me to there levels?
They are threatening our head of state and burning our national flag, and I propose to ask them to leave if they hate the country so much, how is that wrong?
and I see you pointed out where I lived great, I respect where I live, I bring a necessary skill to the country that it does not have naturally, I pay taxes, I do not threaten the emperor of Japan nor do I burn the Japanese flag nor would I feel the need to if Japan did something I did not like.
When and if I ever get that outraged about something the leaders of this country do, you know what I will do??
LEAVE.
FACT.
They are threatening our head of state and burning our national flag, and I propose to ask them to leave if they hate the country so much, how is that wrong?
and I see you pointed out where I lived great, I respect where I live, I bring a necessary skill to the country that it does not have naturally, I pay taxes, I do not threaten the emperor of Japan nor do I burn the Japanese flag nor would I feel the need to if Japan did something I did not like.
When and if I ever get that outraged about something the leaders of this country do, you know what I will do??
LEAVE.
FACT.
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