Regrets?

[TheVelourFog]

Regrets possibly. The new stadium is very important for the progression of Everton and it looks like it has been done in the correct way. So Moshiri deserves credit for that.

Football wise it has been a disaster and there has been some mad crazy decisions being made. Everton undoubtedly has lost its identity playing wise and are now seen as a soft touch. Evertonian prided its itself on being a hard side to beat, aggressive and Goodison a very difficult play to go. Some up and at em football mixed with good attractive positive football. It was the right mix for the club and the fans at goodison. A great challenge was applauded as much as a great piece of play. Both appreciated.

That's gone. And the managers who moshiri brought in did not suit that style. None if them. That's his downfall. Martinez spoke about changing the playing mentality of Everton to possession football. It wont work for Everton. It's not about going direct but play needs to be of a high intensity on and off the ball. That's where the club has failed and will continue to do so until they bring in someone who demands his set of players to up their intensity on a weekly basis especially at home. Evertonians will accept slightly different tactics away from home but and aggressive goodison is our identity and that needs to be brought into the new stadium.

agree, the style of football has largely been the catalyst for the general malaise.
Has happened for years and manager after manager has insisted on the doing the same and hoping for a different response.

i want someone to come in and rip up the playbook

 

[degsy]

The entire league has changed since then, money is far more valuable than what it was back then. We finished 5th when it was a top 4, not a top 7. We've went backwards with money, imagine where we'd be without it.

Yeah, imagine.
Imagine where we'd be if we hadn't wasted 100s of millions on crap players, coaches and lawn mowers...which is code for agents bribes.
Yeah, just Imagine that.

 

[chrismpw]

I'm so beyond caring about the modern game it counts for nothing. I'm past the point where my happiness relies on things out of my control, revolving around a bunch of millionaire mercenaries hoofing a bladder around a rectangle slightly less well than another bunch if millionaire mercenaries.

The only regret I have can be traced back to the rebranding into the Premier league and then Sky's involvement. I lost my sport in those days. Now I simply follow a business out of sentimentality as I embrace Taoism.

I'm much the same. I follow Everton because you stick with your team, but I'm not sure I'd encourage my child to support them if I had one.

If I had one I'd encourage them to support the local amateur team.

 

[KaiserEFC]

We got all the money we ever wanted and then we spent it on Alex Iwobi.

 

[4737carlin]

The only regret I have can be traced back to the rebranding into the Premier league and then Sky's involvement. I lost my sport in those days. Now I simply follow a business out of sentimentality as I embrace Taoism.

If I had one I'd encourage them to support the local amateur team.

What's always bugged me about that re brand is Philip Carter was one of the people involved in.
We, or he sits down and helps launch it then we sat back and did nothing while other clubs got rich.

 

[Dan79]

The only regret I have is marrying my ex wife. Leeched me financially and emotionally to the point I didn't think I'd get through it all. As much as I hate Benitez it's all about perspective I guess?

 

[Goat]

We are in a worse place than when he took over and have been consistently in that worse place since the Iranian clown walked through the door.

No wonder he was sidelined and laughed at while at arsenal.

He's a car crash and is destroying the club.

I regret him ever even considering buying us.

Yeah man, he took over a hugely successful club that won trophies every year.

And turned us into a club that hasnt won a trophy for 26 years overnight.

lol

 

[blueboy1945]

Five and a half years on from Moshiri taking over Everton we are at a stage where a despised ex Liverpool manager who called us a small club is to take over a squad with overpaid players signed by five different managers, while the team remains mid table.

The overwhelming narrative from fans was that Everton just need investment from a wealthy owner and success would follow, instead some say it has been a toxicity brought into the club alienating the players further from the fans. The same fans that others are saying are the tail that wags the Everton dog into making rash decisions.

After Allardyce representing the club and Sammy Lee on the touch line I wonder if this latest humiliation makes some feel regret.

Good to see you back @chicoazul, I've had many regrets through my longish life, but this would not be one of them. I'm aware that Benitez called us a small club, but it hasn't stopped him applying for the job here. He must know that it's success here or an ignominious end to an, on the whole, successful career. I don't hold it against him that he managed Liverpool why should I? He was offered the job there and took it, no problem. If, and it's a big if, he can turn it round here and have us competing near the top I would be delighted, if not he will be out in 18 months. Nothing certain he will get the job, but I won't cryarse if he does.

 

[msb]

Some of us have perfect hindsight.

Moshiri has done his part, funded the players his management team(s) wanted, he has been consistently let down by successive managers and to some extent DoF, there still is no cohesive strategy for Everton on the field, off the field they are very good. On top of that players have been allowed to become lazy money-takers rather than committed professionals. Look at Chelsea/Citeh/Utd players, massively well paid and largely full of effort and purpose. Why are our lazy lot getting away with it?

No regrets about Moshiri, I think he's someone who doesn't trust his own judgement in the football arena and has been led astray by what seemed ideal appointments. What we know now is that football clubs need to be led by the money-bags that own them, not devolve it to fickle managers, ex-owners or DoF. The tone and direction start with him and he has to exert his authority.

If that means we have to suffer the Spanish Waiter, then so be it. Unhappy, absolutely - will I care a jot if he succeeds, absolutely not.

 

[when i score we riot]

Regrets possibly. The new stadium is very important for the progression of Everton and it looks like it has been done in the correct way. So Moshiri deserves credit for that.

Football wise it has been a disaster and there has been some mad crazy decisions being made. Everton undoubtedly has lost its identity playing wise and are now seen as a soft touch. Evertonian prided its itself on being a hard side to beat, aggressive and Goodison a very difficult play to go. Some up and at em football mixed with good attractive positive football. It was the right mix for the club and the fans at goodison. A great challenge was applauded as much as a great piece of play. Both appreciated.

That's gone. And the managers who moshiri brought in did not suit that style. None if them. That's his downfall. Martinez spoke about changing the playing mentality of Everton to possession football. It wont work for Everton. It's not about going direct but play needs to be of a high intensity on and off the ball. That's where the club has failed and will continue to do so until they bring in someone who demands his set of players to up their intensity on a weekly basis especially at home. Evertonians will accept slightly different tactics away from home but and aggressive goodison is our identity and that needs to be brought into the new stadium.

Shudder to think it's been a long time since I've seen any team play with intensity. Even at the euros right now, maybe Sweden's defending against Spain comes close but too often it's discouraged as it is tactically something that makes you more prone to mistakes.

Modern football has replaced intensity with what Martinez called Swagga.

 

[COYBL25]

The only regret I have, is that night in the Norseman, that involved two sisters, my mate and a few trips to that clinic in the Royal, where every patient seems to be called John Smith.

 

[Khalekan]

Five and a half years on from Moshiri taking over Everton we are at a stage where a despised ex Liverpool manager who called us a small club is to take over a squad with overpaid players signed by five different managers, while the team remains mid table.

The overwhelming narrative from fans was that Everton just need investment from a wealthy owner and success would follow, instead some say it has been a toxicity brought into the club alienating the players further from the fans. The same fans that others are saying are the tail that wags the Everton dog into making rash decisions.

After Allardyce representing the club and Sammy Lee on the touch line I wonder if this latest humiliation makes some feel regret.

My regret is that Bobby wasn’t given at least another half season before the first of Moshiri’s motley crew was appointed.

With one of Mosh’s famous “war chests” to work with he might have turned the corner.

 

[Nymzee]

My regret is that Bobby wasn’t given at least another half season before the first of Moshiri’s motley crew was appointed.

With one of Mosh’s famous “war chests” to work with he might have turned the corner.

Yeh I really regret getting relegated.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Some of us have perfect hindsight.

Moshiri has done his part, funded the players his management team(s) wanted, he has been consistently let down by successive managers and to some extent DoF, there still is no cohesive strategy for Everton on the field, off the field they are very good. On top of that players have been allowed to become lazy money-takers rather than committed professionals. Look at Chelsea/Citeh/Utd players, massively well paid and largely full of effort and purpose. Why are our lazy lot getting away with it?

No regrets about Moshiri, I think he's someone who doesn't trust his own judgement in the football arena and has been led astray by what seemed ideal appointments. What we know now is that football clubs need to be led by the money-bags that own them, not devolve it to fickle managers, ex-owners or DoF. The tone and direction start with him and he has to exert his authority.

If that means we have to suffer the Spanish Waiter, then so be it. Unhappy, absolutely - will I care a jot if he succeeds, absolutely not.

Our former managers are respectively managing the #1 ranked nation in world football, Barcelona, and Real Madrid. I can't help but think if we expect whoever the new person is to change our fortunes we're in cloud cuckoo land. We've had 30 years of disappointment, we should be used to it by now and settle into a life of midtable cannon fodder.

 

[msb]

Our former managers are respectively managing the #1 ranked nation in world football, Barcelona, and Real Madrid. I can't help but think if we expect whoever the new person is to change our fortunes we're in cloud cuckoo land. We've had 30 years of disappointment, we should be used to it by now and settle into a life of midtable cannon fodder.

You may be content with that, I'm not. My point is that things won't change until we see a club style or method - this is set from the top, standard business practice really so I am surprised Moshiri has not adopted this. Maybe he is expecting Brands to do it, but currently it is absent.

Questions to answer

What does he want Everton style to be
What is his real expectations
How will he get there and what are the steps along the way to show progress
Who will deliver this and do they buy into the vision


It then follows you appoint managers and buy players that will play to the plan. Of course the plan may be wrong, but at least we would all know the purpose and direction of the club, which currently appears rudderless.