Richard Keys claims Rafael Benitez tried to leave Newcastle United for Everton twice

[Ibby]

Richard Keys lollol

 

[Goat]

Or Suso, Daniel Ayala, Mike San Jose, Gabriel Paletta, Jonjo Shelvey and Raheem Sterling

This is a parody post, right?

 

[ClausThomsen]

Or Suso, Daniel Ayala, Mike San Jose, Gabriel Paletta, Jonjo Shelvey and Raheem Sterling

Pretty sure Benitez had little to do with the discovery of Shelvey or Sterling. Probably had little to do with the poaching of them from the clubs who discovered them and brought them through the youth ranks as well.

 

[catcherintherye]

They might be meaningless to you, but you would love it if we won the equivalent trophies here. Napoli haven't won anything since. Sarri is heralded in England as a maestro, yet he achieved less than Rafael at Napoli.

He's in China now on a short term contract, with clauses. He went there for his staff to keep them in work and keep the money coming in. It's smart business sense. Plus he was at Napoli 5 years ago, his kids are older now. Plus he comes home regularly as the workload is a lot less. In fact he was home last week.

Madrid hated his football? You mean the football in which they barely conceded and broke a whole host of scoring records relative to that point in the season

I think this is getting a bit ridiculous mate. Sarri finished Napoli on 91 points, under Benitez they achieved 63 points (in his final season). It was a remarkable climb up the league. I can't understand the lack of respect people have for Sarri, particularly Chelsea fans.

As for Madrid, I suspect they hated being hammered 6-2 by Barcelona at home. Benitez has lots of positives but lets not pretend water is wine here.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

He did very well at Valencia.

At Liverpool he had Carragher, Gerrard + brought in Mascherano, Torres and Alonso but the other signings were mostly awful.

Was awful at Inter, ok short term at Chelsea not good at Napoli or Madrid and ok at Newcastle.

I dont see the fuss...i think hes massively overrated based on Valencia and Liverpool and if were going for experience + a big name theres others out there.

Just because his family lives in the city how does this make him a more attractive proposition than a real top manager...i mean give him Klopps squad a couple of years ago and i cant see Benitez doing as well.

We need to either stick with Silva allowing him to develop over time or get someone who can go toe to toe with the very best.

Awful at inter? I think it was well known that Jose had well punched above his weight Witt that team. Benítez wasn’t doing that bad and was sacked after 4 months. What chance did he have.
Napoli he won a trophy and got them into the champions league.

Chelsea he was always on a hiding to nothing, With the Chelsea fans. which some might argue that could happen at Everton. I don’t, as Chelsea for the last 20yrs have always been a team winning things. Totally different to us.

And Madrid he again was sacked after 5months. Hardly any time to implement your own ideas.

 

[Theoneandonly]

Pretty sure Benitez had little to do with the discovery of Shelvey or Sterling. Probably had little to do with the poaching of them from the clubs who discovered them and brought them through the youth ranks as well.

Little to do apart from signing them to the academy.

 

[catcherintherye]

Gerrard was 23 when Houllier left Liverpool and already had 30 England caps, was captain of Liverpool, had won 5 trophies, and been in the PFA team of the year twice. Benitez might have made him a bit better but much as it pains to me say it, the lad was well on his way to greatness with or without a new manager. It would be asking a bit more of him to turn Tom Davies into a top class midfielder.

Thats fair and Gerrard was a very good midfielder when Benitez took over, but do you think Benitez gave him another dimension? For me he gave him an attacking threat and made him one of the most dangerous midfielders in the country. His previous 3 seasons he had scored 4, 7 & 6 goals. When Benitez came he scored 13, 11, 23, 21 and 24 goals.

You look at someone like Iwobi and think about if he could take him from being a lad who scored 4-7 goals to one who could get 20+ across a number of seasons?

Thats the age group he works well with too. 24 and upwards, much else outside of that is a bit of a waste of time.

 

[ClausThomsen]

I think this is getting a bit ridiculous mate. Sarri finished Napoli on 91 points, under Benitez they achieved 63 points (in his final season). It was a remarkable climb up the league. I can't understand the lack of respect people have for Sarri, particularly Chelsea fans.

As for Madrid, I suspect they hated being hammered 6-2 by Barcelona at home. Benitez has lots of positives but lets not pretend water is wine here.

In his defence he wouldn't be the first very good manager to "fail" at Madrid. Basket case club obsessed with pulling the rug out from under their manager and undermining their authority with the players.

 

[catcherintherye]

Not well worded by me so unclear but I was using Newcastle as a barometer for ambition. If they could attract Benitez in that state then it says something for the pulling power of money and the PL.

West Ham for instance went out and got a manager who'd won the PL not long before and had a very good record at places like Real Madrid, Sevilla and success in South America.

I'd say Pellegrini is pretty similar to Benitez mate. It's whether you opt for that style of manager. Of that style I think Benitez is perhaps the best suited for us.

In fairness, I have not been massively impressed by Pellegrini, he's spent a load of cash at West Ham to finish below us in the league. They were awful at the Olympic stadium when I saw them too.

 

[Theoneandonly]

I think this is getting a bit ridiculous mate. Sarri finished Napoli on 91 points, under Benitez they achieved 63 points (in his final season). It was a remarkable climb up the league. I can't understand the lack of respect people have for Sarri, particularly Chelsea fans.

As for Madrid, I suspect they hated being hammered 6-2 by Barcelona at home. Benitez has lots of positives but lets not pretend water is wine here.

Sarri concentrated on the league and did [Poor language removed] in the cups. Even so the majority of players were ones that Rafael brought to the club. Sarri didn't really leave a legacy like Rafael did. Rafael couldn't have been that bad that they approached him after Sarri left.

Pretty sure it was 4-0, not 6-2. That was also the game Rafael apparently had a bust up with the owners as they told him he had to play attacking and had to use certain players.

 

[DanB90]

I just want us to appoint the best candidate we can attract, I’m not arsed about past affiliations or anything like that. My main caveat with him, is he’s done nothing even remotely recently to suggest he’s what we need.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Or Suso, Daniel Ayala, Mike San Jose, Gabriel Paletta, Jonjo Shelvey and Raheem Sterling

Jonjo Shelvey you say? Oh my...

 

[catcherintherye]

Sarri concentrated on the league and did [Poor language removed] in the cups. Even so the majority of players were ones that Rafael brought to the club. Sarri didn't really leave a legacy like Rafael did. Rafael couldn't have been that bad that they approached him after Sarri left.

Pretty sure it was 4-0, not 6-2. That was also the game Rafael apparently had a bust up with the owners as they told him he had to play attacking and had to use certain players.

I'm not as harsh as Zat on Benitez at Napoli (generally would regard it as about a net par) but I wouldn't hold it up as a massive success. They were 2nd under the previous manager (Mazzari I believe) and he left them 5th and miles behind. Sarri did concentrate on the league and delivered a fantastic performance. He's an underrated manager and it's bizarre Chelsea sacked him for finishing 3rd and winning the EL but there you go. I'm not sure Napoli is a good example to hold up of Benitez's performance.

Where we can agree with Benitez is he spots a good player and always has done. Koulibably, Jorginho, Callejon, Higuan, Mertins etc where all excellent buys. Often his signings cost a fair whack, but they are good players.

As for Real Madrid, I'm not sure how you can make an argument that the European Champions should be getting hammered at home 4-0. It would be akin to Liverpool or Manchester City losing 4-0 at home now. It was an appalling performance and he was 3rd in a 2 horse race.

Either way I have explained the Real Madrid situation away. Everton do not resemble Real Madrid so it's not a relevant comparison.

 

[Zatara]

Awful at inter? I think it was well known that Jose had well punched above his weight Witt that team. Benítez wasn’t doing that bad and was sacked after 4 months. What chance did he have.
Napoli he won a trophy and got them into the champions league.

Chelsea he was always on a hiding to nothing, With the Chelsea fans. which some might argue that could happen at Everton. I don’t, as Chelsea for the last 20yrs have always been a team winning things. Totally different to us.

And Madrid he again was sacked after 5months. Hardly any time to implement your own ideas.

Thats the thing, if Mourinho was able to get Inter to that level...Benitez certainly wasnt.

Nor at Napoli or Real...Chelsea was always short term.

Valencia and RS he did well...

I'm not as harsh as Zat on Benitez at Napoli (generally would regard it as about a net par) but I wouldn't hold it up as a massive success. They were 2nd under the previous manager (Mazzari I believe) and he left them 5th and miles behind. Sarri did concentrate on the league and delivered a fantastic performance. He's an underrated manager and it's bizarre Chelsea sacked him for finishing 3rd and winning the EL but there you go. I'm not sure Napoli is a good example to hold up of Benitez's performance.

Where we can agree with Benitez is he spots a good player and always has done. Koulibably, Jorginho, Callejon, Higuan, Mertins etc where all excellent buys. Often his signings cost a fair whack, but they are good players.

As for Real Madrid, I'm not sure how you can make an argument that the European Champions should be getting hammered at home 4-0. It would be akin to Liverpool or Manchester City losing 4-0 at home now. It was an appalling performance and he was 3rd in a 2 horse race.

Either way I have explained the Real Madrid situation away. Everton do not resemble Real Madrid so it's not a relevant comparison.

I think if we look at the players signed by Benitez id be confident 80%+ were failures.

 

[Kever10]

Funnily enough I wouldn't want strangers kids in my house like anyone that's not a nonce wouldn't

So what you're saying is, you can't understand why someone would spend time with children without wanting to do something sexual to them?

That says a lot.

My point stands that I wouldn't let my kids spend time, unsupervised, at the house of any stranger, male or female. That doesn't mean I think everyone is a pervert. It's just common sense.

So, I wonder what it was about Billionaire Michael Jackson that convinced certain greedy parents to look past that?

And I wonder why, out of the thousands of children and hundreds of families (their families were always there too) that did stay there, that only 5 people have ever made any allegations against him?

And why all 5 took their stories to the SAME lawyer?

And why not 1 of them ever took their complaint to the police and/or authorities?

And why all 5 just happened to only want civil charges (ie, for monetary gain) brought against him?

And why all 5 either had financial problems immediately before the allegations were brought, and/or had a history of lying to try to extort money from other innocent parties?

And why there was not 1 shred of inculpatory evidence ever found despite dozens of searches undertaken over a period of over a decade, in several properties, by several agencies, including the Sanata Barbara Police Department and the FBI?

But Sagey read it in a paper and thinks he's weird, so he must be guilty...