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Phenomenal: Roberto Martinez’s greatest hits

Date published: Wednesday 13th April 2016 8:35

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From the same people who brought you ‘Outstanding: Brendan Rodgers’ top 20 quotes‘ and ‘Special: Jose Mourinho’s top 20 quotes,’ Football365 presents ‘Phenomenal: The demise of Roberto Martinez…in his own words’.



Roberto Martinez on…broken promises
* “I’ll get you into the Champions League” – The first words Martinez spoke to Bill Kenwright, according to the Everton chairman himself.

Roberto Martinez on…Gareth Barry
* “I have never seen a player with such an incredible professionalism and standards as Gareth Barry. For me he is one of the best English players ever.”

Roberto Martinez on…Tom Cleverley
* “I think you do not have a better English player. Technically, he is as good as you get. The way he executes, how he reads the game, for me he is one of the most sensational you are going to see in Premier League history. I wouldn’t sell him for any money in the current market.”

Roberto Martinez on…John Stones
* “John Stones is in the right environment to fulfil his potential as one of the greatest players England has ever seen.”

* “He’s an out and out defender and then, for me, he’s the best footballing centre half in Europe, so he’s allowed to make his own decisions.”

Roberto Martinez on…Leighton Baines
* “He is talking about lack of confidence and lack of chemistry on the pitch once you have had a couple of defeats. Those words have been given the opportunity to maybe attract a meaning that is not right and is not correct. For that he apologised and has taken responsibility for that, of leaving those words open. This team has loads of chemistry.”

Roberto Martinez on…injuries
* “I don’t believe in soft tissue injuries. If you get a soft tissue injury in football, a mistake has been made.”

Roberto Martinez on…accidental transfer requests
“With John, it’s very easy because he’s a pristine professional. Obviously he’s been put under massive, massive pressure. The transfer request was something he didn’t mean to do.”

Roberto Martinez on…the decision to replace Aaron Lennon with Oumar Niasse after 76 minutes against West Ham
* “I thought tactically we were outstanding. If you look at the way we got set up in the second half, we were the better side and I think we showed an incredible tactical understanding and character.”

(Everton were winning 2-0 at the time of the substitution, but had been reduced to ten men. The Toffees subsequently lost the match 3-2. Gareth Barry was brought on for Romelu Lukaku after West Ham scored the winner.)

Roberto Martinez on…the decision to award Stoke a last-minute penalty in their 4-3 win over Everton in December 2015
* “Looking at the replay it shows John Stones touches the ball. That decision is hard to take. To get a decision wrong like that so late in the game makes you feel furious and is unacceptable.”

Roberto Martinez on…the decision not to award Manchester City a last-minute penalty in a 0-0 draw against Everton two weeks later
“What you want as a manager is a referee who is 100 per cent when he gives that decision. It is impossible from that point to say if it is intent or if it is a penalty or not. As a referee you get emotional at times, you go with the crowd. I don’t think the referee could have done it any better. If you are not certain, you don’t want to gamble in a decision that could have been so damaging from our point of view. I felt Roger [East, referee] made the right call there.”

Roberto Martinez on…the decision to allow John Terry’s controversial last-minute equaliser for Chelsea in a 3-3 draw three days later
“The level of refereeing was diabolical. We lost because it was a horrific decision right at the end. All you want is the referee to do his job. The linesman is in a good position, it’s a touch from Oscar and Terry is clearly, clearly offside. It’s a clear-cut offside that should have been spotted. To make it worse, it’s 50 seconds over time. It’s something that’s not good enough. There is no explanation. It’s a big, big error.”

Roberto Martinez on…everything
* “Phenomenal.”

Don’t believe us? Well…

He called Ross Barkley a “phenomenal person” after the midfielder scored twice in a victory over Newcastle earlier this season.

He described Pep Guardiola’s announcement as the next Manchester City manager as a “phenomenal sign” in January.

He described Arouna Kone’s return from injury as “phenomenal” in November 2015.

He described Wayne Rooney as “phenomenal” after the Manchester United scored twice in a victory over Everton in October 2015.

He described Mason Holgate as a “phenomenal young prospect” in August 2015.

He described James McCarthy as a “phenomenal asset” in July 2015.

He described Sylvain Distin as a “phenomenal professional” in May 2015.

He said Brendan Galloway has a “phenomenal future” in May 2015.

He described Kevin Mirallas as “phenomenal in transition” in November 2014.

He praised the “phenomenal defending” of Tyias Browning in September 2014.

He called Aiden McGeady a “phenomenal player” in February 2014.

He described Everton as a “phenomenal and passionate football club” at his unveiling as manager.

He described Everton’s academy as “phenomenal” in July 2013.

He described his first season at the club as a “phenomenal campaign”.



Matt Stead

Feels a bit cruel laughing at all this. I never took any issue with his positivity and bigging up players (apart from with Barry of course). Digs at his command of the English language which is impressive are poor taste as well. In fact personal digs at what is obviously a nice man are not necessary. If he was winning no one would turn an eye to this.

He's not winning though, and I'm as guilty as anyone else at letting the rage consume me and calling him everything under the sun as West Ham nodded in their third. Now that he looks certain to go though the anger has subsided and I do feel bad about what is obviously a horrible time for him.

He's not good enough to manage Everton, but is a very decent man who represented us fantastically (off the pitch). Hopefully the club do the right thing and he's allowed to leave with dignity before flans like me have a chance to really crank the fumeometer up.

Apologies from me Roberto, and hopefully a goodbye and good luck.
 
I have arrived at the conclusion that it is cruel to keep Martinez in this position.
We need to let him go asap as what is happening is not good for him or the club.
The writing was on the wall last season and the board should of acted as we could all see
the direction we were heading. I think the board and others thought he was going through
a bad patch and could turn this around, but nothing changed. He has limited ability and the step up from
Wigan was a mountain for him to climb.
I honestly think he is a nice bloke with ideas unfortunatly they do not work. He is floundering now and it
is cruel to see. This could have been avoided if they had released him at the end of last season when a lot of us knew
his time was up.

The sooner this is done the better - its only going to get worse!
 
Feels a bit cruel laughing at all this. I never took any issue with his positivity and bigging up players (apart from with Barry of course). Digs at his command of the English language which is impressive are poor taste as well. In fact personal digs at what is obviously a nice man are not necessary. If he was winning no one would turn an eye to this.

He's not winning though, and I'm as guilty as anyone else at letting the rage consume me and calling him everything under the sun as West Ham nodded in their third. Now that he looks certain to go though the anger has subsided and I do feel bad about what is obviously a horrible time for him.

He's not good enough to manage Everton, but is a very decent man who represented us fantastically (off the pitch). Hopefully the club do the right thing and he's allowed to leave with dignity before flans like me have a chance to really crank the fumeometer up.

Apologies from me Roberto, and hopefully a goodbye and good luck.

All true. It's not as if he's an abomination of a human being as well as crap like Timothy Howard, I'd be happy if he was released from his duties with dignity in tact. All things considered though, he really isn't cut out for management at this level and therefore our board have to be ruthless and professional
 
Phenomenal: Roberto Martinez’s greatest hits

Date published: Wednesday 13th April 2016 8:35

Roberto-Martinez-Everton2.jpg

From the same people who brought you ‘Outstanding: Brendan Rodgers’ top 20 quotes‘ and ‘Special: Jose Mourinho’s top 20 quotes,’ Football365 presents ‘Phenomenal: The demise of Roberto Martinez…in his own words’.



Roberto Martinez on…broken promises
* “I’ll get you into the Champions League” – The first words Martinez spoke to Bill Kenwright, according to the Everton chairman himself.

Roberto Martinez on…Gareth Barry
* “I have never seen a player with such an incredible professionalism and standards as Gareth Barry. For me he is one of the best English players ever.”

Roberto Martinez on…Tom Cleverley
* “I think you do not have a better English player. Technically, he is as good as you get. The way he executes, how he reads the game, for me he is one of the most sensational you are going to see in Premier League history. I wouldn’t sell him for any money in the current market.”

Roberto Martinez on…John Stones
* “John Stones is in the right environment to fulfil his potential as one of the greatest players England has ever seen.”

* “He’s an out and out defender and then, for me, he’s the best footballing centre half in Europe, so he’s allowed to make his own decisions.”

Roberto Martinez on…Leighton Baines
* “He is talking about lack of confidence and lack of chemistry on the pitch once you have had a couple of defeats. Those words have been given the opportunity to maybe attract a meaning that is not right and is not correct. For that he apologised and has taken responsibility for that, of leaving those words open. This team has loads of chemistry.”

Roberto Martinez on…injuries
* “I don’t believe in soft tissue injuries. If you get a soft tissue injury in football, a mistake has been made.”

Roberto Martinez on…accidental transfer requests
“With John, it’s very easy because he’s a pristine professional. Obviously he’s been put under massive, massive pressure. The transfer request was something he didn’t mean to do.”

Roberto Martinez on…the decision to replace Aaron Lennon with Oumar Niasse after 76 minutes against West Ham
* “I thought tactically we were outstanding. If you look at the way we got set up in the second half, we were the better side and I think we showed an incredible tactical understanding and character.”

(Everton were winning 2-0 at the time of the substitution, but had been reduced to ten men. The Toffees subsequently lost the match 3-2. Gareth Barry was brought on for Romelu Lukaku after West Ham scored the winner.)

Roberto Martinez on…the decision to award Stoke a last-minute penalty in their 4-3 win over Everton in December 2015
* “Looking at the replay it shows John Stones touches the ball. That decision is hard to take. To get a decision wrong like that so late in the game makes you feel furious and is unacceptable.”

Roberto Martinez on…the decision not to award Manchester City a last-minute penalty in a 0-0 draw against Everton two weeks later
“What you want as a manager is a referee who is 100 per cent when he gives that decision. It is impossible from that point to say if it is intent or if it is a penalty or not. As a referee you get emotional at times, you go with the crowd. I don’t think the referee could have done it any better. If you are not certain, you don’t want to gamble in a decision that could have been so damaging from our point of view. I felt Roger [East, referee] made the right call there.”

Roberto Martinez on…the decision to allow John Terry’s controversial last-minute equaliser for Chelsea in a 3-3 draw three days later
“The level of refereeing was diabolical. We lost because it was a horrific decision right at the end. All you want is the referee to do his job. The linesman is in a good position, it’s a touch from Oscar and Terry is clearly, clearly offside. It’s a clear-cut offside that should have been spotted. To make it worse, it’s 50 seconds over time. It’s something that’s not good enough. There is no explanation. It’s a big, big error.”

Roberto Martinez on…everything
* “Phenomenal.”

Don’t believe us? Well…

He called Ross Barkley a “phenomenal person” after the midfielder scored twice in a victory over Newcastle earlier this season.

He described Pep Guardiola’s announcement as the next Manchester City manager as a “phenomenal sign” in January.

He described Arouna Kone’s return from injury as “phenomenal” in November 2015.

He described Wayne Rooney as “phenomenal” after the Manchester United scored twice in a victory over Everton in October 2015.

He described Mason Holgate as a “phenomenal young prospect” in August 2015.

He described James McCarthy as a “phenomenal asset” in July 2015.

He described Sylvain Distin as a “phenomenal professional” in May 2015.

He said Brendan Galloway has a “phenomenal future” in May 2015.

He described Kevin Mirallas as “phenomenal in transition” in November 2014.

He praised the “phenomenal defending” of Tyias Browning in September 2014.

He called Aiden McGeady a “phenomenal player” in February 2014.

He described Everton as a “phenomenal and passionate football club” at his unveiling as manager.

He described Everton’s academy as “phenomenal” in July 2013.

He described his first season at the club as a “phenomenal campaign”.



Matt Stead

lollollollol

Oh god, it's even worse when it's actually wrote down.
 

Quite funny to read but I'm not sure anyone is going to sack a manager because they don't like their turn of phrase. A couple that may haunt him but plenty that is either a manager bigging up his players or being a little biased when it comes to refereeing decisions.
If you were pushing me to make my mind up based on what has been quoted there I'd go with 'in'.
surprise, surprise
 
Feels a bit cruel laughing at all this. I never took any issue with his positivity and bigging up players (apart from with Barry of course). Digs at his command of the English language which is impressive are poor taste as well. In fact personal digs at what is obviously a nice man are not necessary. If he was winning no one would turn an eye to this.

He's not winning though, and I'm as guilty as anyone else at letting the rage consume me and calling him everything under the sun as West Ham nodded in their third. Now that he looks certain to go though the anger has subsided and I do feel bad about what is obviously a horrible time for him.

He's not good enough to manage Everton, but is a very decent man who represented us fantastically (off the pitch). Hopefully the club do the right thing and he's allowed to leave with dignity before flans like me have a chance to really crank the fumeometer up.

Apologies from me Roberto, and hopefully a goodbye and good luck.


Top post and it pretty well sums things up, as opposed as I am to him it's now starting to feel somehow a bit, well, uncomfortable...that it should have been dealt with much sooner and the fact he's still at the helm feels like a massive drag. And it still has the potential to get much more painful to watch as well which bothers me a bit because, as mentioned, he seems a decent enough fella...

And based on that I genuinely don't want it to get to the stage whereby I don't actually care that he's a nice dude... I don't want to get to where it becomes SO stale that I'm not remotely arsed about the potential of a dignified exit for him.

That's well out of our hands though innit...
 

Our aspirations are far higher than Klinsmann, I can assure you.

Not advocating Klinsmann but he did take a average US team to the last 16 of the world cup

I mean Tim Howard was their best player so that is some achievement

Not saying his the one but there are far worse choices than him
 
Not advocating Klinsmann but he did take a average US team to the last 16 of the world cup

I mean Tim Howard was their best player so that is some achievement

Not saying his the one but there are far worse choices than him

Honestly mate, IF you are going to go for someone who has been managing Internationally you need to go for one who has managed a top International team such as Italy or Germany - or one who has a exceptional club managing record in addition if they manage a side like the US

A absolutely massive amount of difference betweent he two management styles otherwise
 

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