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Ronald Koeman discussion

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Tbf we need a clear out and Koeman is the man to do this which means we will be in dire straits for awhile.
Can't wait to see the back of the players tbh
 
They are lying to themselves because it makes them feel better about a situation that in the back of their heads (where they keep their minds) they are starting to worry that he's a chancer without any real substance.



Do you think it's possible that he could have engineered deals for new players without throwing almost every single current player under the bus and destroying morale a few months in? I mean maybe not for an average manager but for such a genius surely?

Having it known publicly that he despises his players isn't something a lot of people brandished as a great move prior to the Koeman era.

In fact many were lashing out at Mourinho because that's his main move and we were all sick of him doing it every time his team under-performed.




I remember everyone talked about how much of a bottler Moyes (and his players) was and once we got rid of him everything was going to be great. At the time it sounded like a nonsense -- just a reactionary label that meant nothing in reality but just made a certain type of person people feel better. It's almost as if "bottler" isn't 100% of the equation here but how could such a meticulously researched and factually backed up label not accurately describe everything we need to know about people in football?

Anyway never mind the facts of our past ... once we clean up the new bottlers out of the swamp everything will be fine right?



He's a master motivator and our fitness is 100 times better and if not it's the players fault (for not realizing he's a master motivator).



Just guessed that one based on his behavior here so far. Leopards and all. Then again I am just basing my opinion on the things he says and does rather than Koeman's big fancy baby boomer tough talking costume that certain people think is so fashionable these days.



It sounds like he's a coward who constantly publicly blames anyone other than himself for problems ... but that's just how it sounds to me because I'm a straight shooter who tells it like it is just like Koeman.



They want to MEGA mate so the past can be whatever we want it to be.



Wow. Groundhog Day.



So he's been wrong before about this then?

These are facts. Yes ten years ago facts ... but facts nonetheless.

You're gone if you don't think it's at least moderately relevant to today when he's doing the same act here. Yes it may be ten years ago in reality but Koeman doesn't seem to care ... to him it appears this act is still fresh!

It's not 100% of the equation like labeling someone a "bottler" but it's interesting data nonetheless.



His pedigree (the stuff you like) is almost entirely as a player though.



While I don't doubt there was someone who is happy to vault themselves that they were on the "our players are absolute crap" bandwagon from the second Martinez was fired I'm calling BS on this being anything but a relatively recent fad for the majority.

People wanted Martinez fired because they thought 11th was WAY too low with this group and to suggest 7th is the level EVERYONE BELIEVED THESE PLAYERS WERE AT is absurd revisionist history.

People thought Geri was a great player when he was among the league leaders in assists and chances created -- now he's a bottler who needs to be jibed off?

You're lying to yourselves.



I think Koeman is smart.

I don't think he's the right manager for Everton but of course he's smart.

In PR you know what you are doing when you "take responsibility" and then "just happen to mention other things."

You get to say you took responsibility (because there is technically a quote in there somewhere) and who could have possibly known the media and fans would latch onto the other stuff he mentioned?

It's not just A move in PR it's THE move in PR these days.

He knew what he was doing there and the media and fan narrative has mostly followed along the path he laid out for the sheep.

Maye he's right ... but that does not change the fact he purposefully deflected criticism away from him and onto the players and board.

To claim he took responsibility is naive or willful cooperation with his narrative.

You may think that's smart -- I may think it's because he cares more about his brand and his next job than the impact his actions has on Everton.

That's why I'm worried about him because I look at the things he says and does and he obviously does not have Everton as his top priority.

If you think he does I suggest it's because you don't fully appreciate the way he is manipulating you and the media.

You can see his true intentions if you look they are as clear as day.

P.S. Sorry for facts and multi-quote I know it triggers a lot of you super sensitive types ... I mean you're totally not bothered by it and will let us all know how not bothered you are ... everyone believes you. NSNO! ... sorry ... MEGA!
Good post mate and bang on the money.
 
The longer this arsing around goes on the more convinced I am that Koeman will walk claiming constructive dismissal.

From the noises he is making it's quite clear he was assured of money for quality signings.
 

Papers picking up on the growing tension between Koeman and the board and suggesting he could walk

Scary times ahead if he walks because no manager worth a tug would want it
 
Papers picking up on the growing tension between Koeman and the board and suggesting he could walk

Scary times ahead if he walks because no manager worth a tug would want it
TBF I called this the minute he came out and publicly questioned the lack of signings post-Leicester cup defeat. He clearly feels he isn't being backed, and I can see why he thinks that. Going public with criticism of the club hierarchy is a sure sign of desperation and something a manager would only do under extreme circumstances.
 
TBF I called this the minute he came out and publicly questioned the lack of signings post-Leicester cup defeat. He clearly feels he isn't being backed, and I can see why he thinks that. Going public with criticism of the club hierarchy is a sure sign of desperation and something a manager would only do under extreme circumstances.

100% mate

I don't agree with him doing it but have a feeling it thought it was his only option, I bet he's been in meeting after meeting with the board and Walsh and he's getting to the end of the line with it all with seeing little to no progress

At some point Koeman may realize he's been sold a lie and will have no option but to walk
 

Ah well, that's not happening then is it.

He's not walking away from 6 million a year.

He's loaded, He would get a new job in the Prem no problem

Do you think he's going to stay here after being lied to, No funds to spend unless he sells, He knows this squad needs major work and without big money he will be drifting along putting his career back years
 
He has a boatload of players that nobody in their right mind would want to buy, let alone loan for £20k odd a week, and isn't able to buy any players he had in mind (based on rumours), a bit of a s*** sandwich really.
 

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