Ronald Koeman discussion

[ijjysmith]

Incessant

 

[davek]

Who were rank last season.

So improved by a different manager.

But Lukaku being ace this season is somehow Bobbys genius?

Dont get it.

They were rank because they downed tools...a lot of it about last season I hear.

And yes, Lukaku's first manager who believed in him and gave him the confidence to go out and make a name for himself as a consistent top scorer was Martinez.

Dear me, there;s some here who would even deny him that.

Is this the next front to attack Martinez on after downgrading the "rubbish" 21 game winning season...that Lukaku was not a massive feather in his cap?

Bottom line: if Martinez hadn't brought in players like Lukaku and breathed life into Barkley's neglected career this chubby Dutch lad would still be at Southampton honouring his contract.

 

[davek]

Its not Koemans job mert.

Lukaku cost 28m, we didnt unearth a gem, we signed a 20 year striker with a proven goal scoring record in the league, who Duncan has turned into 1 of the better Strikers in World Football.

The only thing that useless galoot could teach him is how to get pissed and punch people.

 

[davek]

Martinez improved us by 1 position in his first season.

Koeman has improved us by (currently) 4.

Oh, what a blistering bit of compare and contrast.

 

[davek]

Playing a completely different formation and style of play

File under bubbles

...good point. Just like here in 2013/2014.

 

[Shibbywiggles]

Its not Koemans job mert.

Lukaku cost 28m, we didnt unearth a gem, we signed a 20 year striker with a proven goal scoring record in the league, who Duncan has turned into 1 of the better Strikers in World Football.

I see what you did there. Praising the almost universally liked (except by davek) Duncan instead of the almost universally disliked (except by davek) Martinez for Lukaku's development. I'll take that a step further and note that Rom is currently having his best season ever and has openly praised his work with Ferguson. This is a guy who openly says Premier League strikers like Harry Kane cannot offer him anything but comes out and praises Ferguson with no other agenda behind it.

 

[davek]

And dalglish signed Luis Suarez for the rs mate, he also signed some utter turd for them as well and was found out as being useless and out of his depth and then sacked. Uncanny parralels really besides that dalglish still managed to win a pot for them.

Strange how lukaku was all Martinez doing whilst niasse you've stated was forced onto him. Nice ignoring of the fact he tried to get ba originally and Chelsea refused but offered lukaku tho.

Concise version:

"Martinez is rubbish".

 

[davek]

Its nice to see you finally give Moyes the praise he deserves for that 72 point season tho Dave.

Read ot more closely mate...I did say key players.

 

[davek]

By that logic Martinez's 5th place finish was all Moyes.

He paid £28m to give him a permanent home...it was hardly taking in a journeyman.

AND... You can't argue in one thread that we shouldn't be overly reliant on Lukaku and in this one laud Martinez for building a team around him.

I only mentioned about 20 times in that thread that it was a trend started off by Martinez and given a turbo boost by Koeman.

 

[TheCount]

The only thing that useless galoot could teach him is how to get pissed and punch people.

Ridiculous and offensive

 

[Jebus_lives]

The only thing that useless galoot could teach him is how to get pissed and punch people.

I think this is the sort of thing that makes your 'I'm bullied' stance seem a bit weak.

 

[Jebus_lives]

I only mentioned about 20 times in that thread that it was a trend started off by Martinez and given a turbo boost by Koeman.

You've also said about 50 times that Martinez 'found' him... Which is clearly wrong

 

[bluestevon]

Concise version:

"Martinez is rubbish".

More hugely flawed with some exceptionally naive ideas

 

[Armel]

They were rank because they downed tools...a lot of it about last season I hear.

And yes, Lukaku's first manager who believed in him and gave him the confidence to go out and make a name for himself as a consistent top scorer was Martinez.
Dear me, there;s some here who would even deny him that.
Is this the next front to attack Martinez on after downgrading the "rubbish" 21 game winning season...that Lukaku was not a massive feather in his cap?
Bottom line: if Martinez hadn't brought in players like Lukaku and breathed life into Barkley's neglected career this chubby Dutch lad would still be at Southampton honouring his contract.

Mate that's a bit incorrect. The first manager to do that was Jacobs, when he made Lukaku top scorer at the age of 16 in the Belgian Pro League. He has always supported him and still does.

 

[Paul w]

[QUOTE="davek, post: 5335455, member: 1745
Martinez is rubbish".[/QUOTE]
At last.