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Ronald Koeman

Ronald Koeman...good choice for us?

  • yes, he'll get us top 6 and stability

  • no, it's uninspiring even if top 6 is back on

  • josé on toast


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I've been impressed by Koeman at Southampton.

Many big names have left; 2014 Lallana, Lambert, Lovren, Shaw and Chambers, 2015 Clyne and Schneiderlin.

But his new arrivals have quickly settled in and actually improved the team's performance;

2015/16 6 Southampton 38 18 09 11 59 41 +18 63
2014/15 7 Southampton 38 18 06 14 54 33 +21 60
2013/14 8 Southampton 38 15 11 12 54 46 +08 56

But somehow I can't get excited about his arrival at Goodison. Let's see who he can sign for us.

I can't see how you are not excited with what you posted with the results his Southampton team had. He made that team finish top 10 in his 3 years there and came close to Champions League this past season. Imagine what he can do with a team who isn't selling all of their top players and has the money to bring in star players. I am really excited and can't wait
 
For those of you who are underwhelmed by Koeman's appointment, he has just taken Southampton to within three points of a Champions League place. Southampton! The same Southampton who have only finished in the top four once in their entire history. This was despite losing all his best players. He also did better than the supposedly brilliant Pochettino, twice, despite having to rebuild.

Apart from only finishing 6th with Southampton, it appears that some have doubts about him because of his time at Valencia (although he did still win the Copa del Rey) and his brief stint at Alkmaar. Even the best managers can have bad seasons. Just look at Mourinho at Chelsea last season.

I think most on here rate Pochettino, but he didn't exactly cover himself in glory at Espanyol. The following is from his Wiki page:

On 26 November 2012, however, following a 0–2 home loss against Getafe CF that left Espanyol in last place with just nine points from 13 matches, Pochettino's contract was terminated by mutual consent.

What about Simeone? We'd all be delirious if we'd managed to recruit him after the fantastic job he's done at Atletico. Well, he failed not once, but twice in Argentina as the following from Wiki illustrates:

On 7 November 2008, Simeone announced his resignation as coach of River Plate after their elimination at the quarter-final stage of Copa Sudamericana 2008 by the Mexican team Chivas and a poor run of form of 11 domestic games without a win, which left them bottom of the Primera División Argentina with only six games remaining. On 15 April 2009, Simeone joined San Lorenzo to replace Miguel Ángel Russo, following the club's exit in the first round of Copa Libertadores 2009. On 3 April 2010, Simeone quit San Lorenzo due to poor results and mounting criticism.

Just about every manager has at least one poor season on their CV, even legends of the game like Ferguson and Clough. Ferguson was under intense pressure in 1990, and the general view was he was only saved from the sack by winning the FA Cup. Clough, after winning the league with Derby, then had disastrous stints at Brighton and Leeds, so his reputation was well and truly tarnished when he went to Forest. We all know what happened next. Matt Busby almost relegated Man U in 1963, finishing 4th from bottom. He'd be sacked these days.

Even top managers make mistakes, but what makes them top managers is they learn from them and they're able to change if something isn't working. Martinez will never be a top manager because he has an unwavering conviction, bordering on delusional, that his way is best, and is the only way. He's not prepared to compromise, even the slightest, on his philosophy.

Koeman, on the other hand, has learned from his past mistakes and has used those experiences to make himself a better manager. At this moment in time, Koeman has proven himself to be an excellent manager and, make no mistake, getting him is a real coup. Moshiri is no fool and is very knowledgeable about his football, so if he's good enough for him, then he's good enough for me.
 
This will take time

Realistic timescales need to be set

So long as improvement is being made, that is what's important

If it takes us 3-5 years to win the League, then so be it, so long as progress doesn't stagnate

We regressed under our previous manager and that needs to be corrected first

We must be patient

I understand the need for patience, but I do believe we need to believe that we can achieve success quicker than that.

I'd like us to set the challenge of winning the PL before we leave Goodison (assuming we are going to leave in the next two or three years). What an ambition to see the PL lifted at Goodison before we left! Could you imagine the scenes of our last game at Goodison and we were crowned Champions?

I don't care if some think this is viewed as outlandish, but why not make it an ambition and strive for it?
 

I understand the need for patience, but I do believe we need to believe that we can achieve success quicker than that.

I'd like us to set the challenge of winning the PL before we leave Goodison (assuming we are going to leave in the next two or three years). What an ambition to see the PL lifted at Goodison before we left! Could you imagine the scenes of our last game at Goodison and we were crowned Champions?

I don't care if some think this is viewed as outlandish, but why not make it an ambition and strive for it?

Stop that now... Imagine that.

Tingle-meter going off the chart
 
Happy with him but not proper excited, waiting to see what we do in the window before getting my hopes up about top 5
 
I understand the need for patience, but I do believe we need to believe that we can achieve success quicker than that.

I'd like us to set the challenge of winning the PL before we leave Goodison (assuming we are going to leave in the next two or three years). What an ambition to see the PL lifted at Goodison before we left! Could you imagine the scenes of our last game at Goodison and we were crowned Champions?

I don't care if some thing this is viewed as outlandish, but why not make it an ambition and strive for it?

You can make it an ambition without having to feel bad if we finish sixth in his first season

If we go sixth, fourth, second, then champions successive seasons, then I think that's an excellent outcome personally

Heck, sixth, sixth and Champions would be fine as well

The ambition should be to get us to be Champions eventually, but we shouldn't set a tight timetable for it

We should merely set a target of consistant improvement, at which point the title situation will sort itself out on its own
 
I understand the need for patience, but I do believe we need to believe that we can achieve success quicker than that.

I'd like us to set the challenge of winning the PL before we leave Goodison (assuming we are going to leave in the next two or three years). What an ambition to see the PL lifted at Goodison before we left! Could you imagine the scenes of our last game at Goodison and we were crowned Champions?

I don't care if some think this is viewed as outlandish, but why not make it an ambition and strive for it?

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Happy with him but not proper excited, waiting to see what we do in the window before getting my hopes up about top 5

I'm actually more excited about the intent it shows, than Koeman himself, if you get me?

We've gone out to a club, pulled the bird we wanted to, and **** all over the other teds as we did it.

Cost us a shed load for the taxi home like, but still, good times.
 

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