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I may go with Bath. Very similar town to my home town, plus my wife played handball there in the youth Olympics a while back, got a soft spot for Bath.

You know it makes sense (y) :)

I'm down there for the Leeds match in December, gonna be cracking. I've already got loads of good memories from supporting Bath. Went to the Powergen Cup final at Twickers a few years back. We lost but it was an awesome day. I was at the Heineken Cup Quarter Final at the Walkers Stadium vs Tigers in 2006. Bath won 15-12. It was the most tense and nerve racking sporting event I've ever been to. Tigers were virtually camped on our try line for the last ten minutes but we finally managed to turn them over. Quality stuff. :D
 
That rule is crazy. How the hell are you supposed to build pressure on the opposition if you've got to give them the ball every 2 minutes?! Stupid. Union is so much better.

Well, firstly you don't have to give them the ball every 2 minutes because half backs with a semi-decent kicking game (take note Jonny) can get a repeat set of six if the defending team are tackled inside their in-goal area. You can also get extra 'tackles' if you kick a 40-20. Plus of course, even if one side does run out of tackles the other side has to run the ball out from within their 22, they don't have the luxury of endless bouts of kicking to each other as you get in Union. I think in the final there must have been half a dozen garryowens, one after the other, none achieving anything whatsoever. I think even Stuart Barnes was getting bored eventually.

Adversely, you could be the England Yawnion team who between both the two WC games against them plus the two friendlies they played against SA must have gained all of about 10 metres from dozens of phases of posession. Lets face it, if England didn't have Robinson they would have had no one in the past decade capable of breaking the line on a regular basis. The only pressure they put on anyone in the last 15 minutes was themselves after crabbing from one side of the pitch to the other, desperately waiting for Sir Jonny to do anything remotely creative to live up the endless hype heaped upon his shoulders.

Don't let the WC win fool anyone. This England team scrap with the best of them but if we ever go more than a score behind then we're lost because we have absolutely no creativity in the half backs, no vision in the centres and no pace on the wings. A return of 12 tries in 7 games sums that up nicely, despite playing sides that the other leading nations scored bucketloads against (hence why SA scored some 90 points more than us in the group stages alone - and lets face it, SA aren't in the same class as NZ or Aus as an attacking force).

The WC was a victory for pragmatism. 10 man rugby gaining territory and then using the set-pieces to either drop goals or look for penalties. That's why England, France, SA and Argentina did well because they all play that game very well. We were the rugby equivalent of Greece winning Euro 2004.
 
:lol: I rest my case. 5 kicks to 4. Webb Ellis would be rolling in his grave shouting up at the toffs "I told you to run with the bloody thing, stop kicking it away"

Yet it still managed to be a FAR superior game to any League match I've ever had the patience to sit and watch. Yes in some matches you don't see many tries scored. But in football 0-0 draws aren't exactly uncommon are they?! Yesterday Bath trashed Newcastle 33-20 and scored 5 tries. To judge the whole of Rugby Union on one EXTREMELY tense quarter final is a tad unfair methinks.

Also, you mention the RWC. Yeah, we didn't exactly play lovely flowing rugby. But we were playing to our strengths. We don't have the best rugby team in the world, but we ground out results a bit like Everton when we finished 4th. And also, Mark Cueto did break through to score what I still reckon was a try. We did fantastically well to get to the final, I am proud of the team. As said before, they're not the best team in the wolrd and should never ever have got to the final. But they bloody did and I for one am proud of that.
 
Have a look at some of the State of Origin games from down under. The intensity, pace, power, creativity, running lines, defence. It has the lot.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deDUo9A4yhI[/media]

No big slobs there to act as glorified book ends, all quick enough to be in the backs. Lockyer is the best rugby player in the world in either code. I'm sure McBain will back me up.

I should perhaps qualify all this by saying that when Union is played well it is a great game to watch. Over the past three or four years NZ have played it well and it's been great to watch because it's been so fast. The player is tackled and wham, Collins or So'ialo hits the breakdown and clears the ruck allowing the scrum half to set his backs up against a fragmented defence.

Too often in the European game the breakdown is very slow because the forwards aren't fast enough to get their with any haste. The scrum half then lights a cigar and messes around for a few minutes, by which time the defence is set and it's either shipped out to the fly half to kick or popped up to the forwards to trundle forward another yard. The backs are so starved of posession that they lack the basic skills in running good lines or utilising overlaps.

The very best Union games probably beat the very best League games. The problem is that Union games so often descend into bouts of kick-kick-ruck-maul-kick-foul, whilst the outside backs sit around in deck-chairs or do a crossword.
 

i watched new zealand play in the league world cup at wilderspool. was a good show - forget who they were playing.. will research.

shame the wires lost their stars, scully, harris, had a good tradition of rugby once.
 
I know I said I'd let it lie, but I can't help it :D They had some stats from the RWC in the paper today and they listed the top tacklers. Schalk Burger came top with around 55 tackles. Spread across 5 games!! Players in League can often do that in just one match. I think Dallas Johnson made 62 tackles in the 77 minutes during one of the State of Origin matches this year.

They also had the stats for most metres gained, which was predictably Habana with 519 from 7 games, or 74 metres per match. I don't have access to the top performers in League because Opta isn't publically available, but Wigan prop (yes, prop) Feka Paleaaesina carried 2,230 metres this season in 27 league games (82 metres per match). Not bad for a prop. James Roby was top metre gainer in Super League and I dare say he did a fare bit more. When you consider that neither play a full 80 minutes it's even more impressive.
 
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