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Russia are helping Assad Assad is fighting ISIS what is the problem.
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One things for certain - things have just got a whole lot more interesting in Syrian airspace.
- Turkey bombing ISIS, YPG(Kurds) and the Syrian Army in support of JaN (Al Qaeda in Syria)
- Syria bombing anyone that is opposed to them
- Russia now bombing JaN and ISIS in support of the Syrian army
- US bombing ISIS and JaN in support of the YPG (Kurds)
- France now bombing ISIS in support of YPG (Kurds)
Good luck to the airspace battlefield controllers trying to de-conflict that lot...It's only gonna end one way
- Turkey bombing ISIS, YPG(Kurds) and the Syrian Army in support of JaN (Al Qaeda in Syria)
- Syria bombing anyone that is opposed to them
- Russia now bombing JaN and ISIS in support of the Syrian army
- US bombing ISIS and JaN in support of the YPG (Kurds)
- France now bombing ISIS in support of YPG (Kurds)
Good luck to the airspace battlefield controllers trying to de-conflict that lot...It's only gonna end one way
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
UK bombing two men.
We're doing our bit then!
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
We shall fight them with the drones - we shall never surrender
We shall fight them with the drones - we shall never surrender
We had no choice - they were Welsh and therefore had to be eliminated.
Jib in lad
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summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Jib in lad
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The hawk are circling they are itching to get in to this.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Jib in lad
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LOL
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Meanwhile, at the war that time forgot :
Ukraine still faces threat of Russian military offensive - Poroshenko
Tue Sep 8, 2015 8:38pm BST
By Pavel Polityuk and Natalia Zinets
KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine still faces the threat of a full-scale Russian military attack despite several days of relative calm on the front-lines of the east where government forces confront Russian-backed separatists, President Petro Poroshenko said on Tuesday.
Poroshenko comments at a government meeting come amid signs of discord in the governing coalition over his peace efforts and disenchantment over falling living standards and economic hardship.
Russia's aim is to "strangle our state economically and destabilise it," he said, referring to a Russian ban on Ukrainian food imports and a failure to agree on a new price structure for Russian gas imports which has left Ukraine's storage levels dangerously low as winter approaches.
Moscow is also now insisting Kiev repays a $3 billion bond in full in December, disassociating itself from an agreement by other of Ukraine's creditors to ease repayment conditions on its huge foreign commercial debt.
But turning to a tenuous ceasefire in the separatist-minded east since February and a fall-off in shelling and shooting in the past few days, he said: "I am sure that a full-scale renewal of offensive activity by the Russian Federation represents the main threat."
His words echoed a proposed new military doctrine which defines Russia as Ukraine's military adversary and abandons Ukraine's unaligned status in favour of Euro-Atlantic integration, a reference to NATO membership.
Earlier on Tuesday, the U.N. Human Rights Office significantly revised up its estimate for casualties from the conflict, saying that at least 7,962 people had been killed and 17,811 wounded since April 2014 when separatists in the east rebelled against a new pro-Western government in Kiev.
Kiev and the West say Russia has sent arms and soldiers to fight for the separatists, though Moscow denies this.
Separately, a military spokesman said on Tuesday that one Ukrainian soldier had been killed and two wounded in military action in the past 24 hours.
Poroshenko is sticking by a peace agreement, reached in Minsk, Belarus, in February by himself and the leaders of Russia, Germany and France.
But his plans to grant greater self-governing rights to rebel-held regions sparked street violence on Aug. 31 in which three national guardsmen were killed and the pro-Western coalition supporting him in parliament showed signs of fraying.
With local elections due on Oct. 25, Poroshenko's popularity appears to be dipping, according to a survey by Kiev's International Institute of Sociology which showed that 27 percent of people would vote for him against 35 percent in March.
Phased rises in the price of household gas and electricity this year, at the urging of the International Monetary Fund, have driven up consumer price inflation which was more than 52 percent in August year-on-year.
With an eye to the October poll, Poroshenko said he accepted that planned increases of between 12-18 percent in public sector salaries, pensions and welfare payments did not cover the hardship suffered by many. "I won't even begin to try to hide this," he said.
Ukraine still faces threat of Russian military offensive - Poroshenko
Tue Sep 8, 2015 8:38pm BST
By Pavel Polityuk and Natalia Zinets
KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine still faces the threat of a full-scale Russian military attack despite several days of relative calm on the front-lines of the east where government forces confront Russian-backed separatists, President Petro Poroshenko said on Tuesday.
Poroshenko comments at a government meeting come amid signs of discord in the governing coalition over his peace efforts and disenchantment over falling living standards and economic hardship.
Russia's aim is to "strangle our state economically and destabilise it," he said, referring to a Russian ban on Ukrainian food imports and a failure to agree on a new price structure for Russian gas imports which has left Ukraine's storage levels dangerously low as winter approaches.
Moscow is also now insisting Kiev repays a $3 billion bond in full in December, disassociating itself from an agreement by other of Ukraine's creditors to ease repayment conditions on its huge foreign commercial debt.
But turning to a tenuous ceasefire in the separatist-minded east since February and a fall-off in shelling and shooting in the past few days, he said: "I am sure that a full-scale renewal of offensive activity by the Russian Federation represents the main threat."
His words echoed a proposed new military doctrine which defines Russia as Ukraine's military adversary and abandons Ukraine's unaligned status in favour of Euro-Atlantic integration, a reference to NATO membership.
Earlier on Tuesday, the U.N. Human Rights Office significantly revised up its estimate for casualties from the conflict, saying that at least 7,962 people had been killed and 17,811 wounded since April 2014 when separatists in the east rebelled against a new pro-Western government in Kiev.
Kiev and the West say Russia has sent arms and soldiers to fight for the separatists, though Moscow denies this.
Separately, a military spokesman said on Tuesday that one Ukrainian soldier had been killed and two wounded in military action in the past 24 hours.
Poroshenko is sticking by a peace agreement, reached in Minsk, Belarus, in February by himself and the leaders of Russia, Germany and France.
But his plans to grant greater self-governing rights to rebel-held regions sparked street violence on Aug. 31 in which three national guardsmen were killed and the pro-Western coalition supporting him in parliament showed signs of fraying.
With local elections due on Oct. 25, Poroshenko's popularity appears to be dipping, according to a survey by Kiev's International Institute of Sociology which showed that 27 percent of people would vote for him against 35 percent in March.
Phased rises in the price of household gas and electricity this year, at the urging of the International Monetary Fund, have driven up consumer price inflation which was more than 52 percent in August year-on-year.
With an eye to the October poll, Poroshenko said he accepted that planned increases of between 12-18 percent in public sector salaries, pensions and welfare payments did not cover the hardship suffered by many. "I won't even begin to try to hide this," he said.
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Ermm
Russia tells Washington: talk to us over Syria or risk 'unintended incidents'
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia called on Friday for Washington to restart direct military-to-military cooperation to avert "unintended incidents" near Syria, at a time when U.S. officials say Moscow is building up forces to protect President Bashar al-Assad's government.
The United States is leading a campaign of air strikes against Islamic State fighters in Syrian air space, and a greater Russian presence would raise the prospect of the Cold War superpower foes encountering each other on the battlefield.
Both Moscow and Washington say their enemy is Islamic State. But Russia supports the government of Assad, while the United States says his presence makes the situation worse.
In recent days, U.S. officials have described what they say is a buildup of Russian equipment and manpower.
Lebanese sources have told Reuters that at least some Russian troops were now engaged in combat operations in support of Assad's government. Moscow has declined to comment on those reports.
Migrants on a dinghy arrives at the southeastern island of Kos, Greece, after crossing from Turkey o …
At a news conference, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia was sending equipment to help Assad fight Islamic State. Russian servicemen were in Syria, he said, primarily to help service that equipment and teach Syrian soldiers how to use it.
Russia was also conducting naval exercises in the eastern Mediterranean, he said, describing the drills as long-planned and staged in accordance with international law.
Lavrov blamed Washington for cutting off direct military-to-military communications between Russia and NATO over the Ukraine crisis, saying such contacts were "important for the avoidance of undesired, unintended incidents".
"We are always in favor of military people talking to each other in a professional way. They understand each other very well," Lavrov said. "If, as (U.S. Secretary of State) John Kerry has said many times, the United States wants those channels frozen, then be our guest."
U.S. officials say they do not know what Moscow's intentions are in Syria. The reports of a Russian buildup come at a time when momentum has shifted against Assad's government in Syria's 4-year-old civil war, with Damascus suffering battlefield setbacks this year at the hands of an array of insurgent groups.
Moscow, Assad's ally since the Cold War, maintains its only Mediterranean naval base at Tartous on the Syrian coast, a strategic objective.
A member of the Syrian Arab Red Crescent carries a girl as they rush away from a site hit by what ac …
In recent months NATO-member Turkey has also raised the prospect of outside powers playing a greater role in Syria by proposing a "safe zone" near its border, kept free of both Islamic State and government troops.
COMMON ENEMY
The four-year-old multi-sided civil war in Syria has killed around 250,000 people and driven half of Syria's 23 million people from their homes. Some have traveled to European Union countries, creating a refugee crisis there.
Differences over Assad's future have made it impossible for Moscow and the West to take joint action against Islamic State, even though they say the group, which rules a self-proclaimed caliphate on swathes of Syria and Iraq, is their common enemy.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Friday it was too early to judge what exactly Russia's motivations at present were in Syria, but that "adding war to war" would not help resolve the Syrian conflict.
"If it's about defending the base in Tartous why not? But if it's to enter the conflict ...." he said, without finishing the thought.
Refugees climb over fences after running from a collection point that had been set up to transport p …
BARGAINING POWER
Diplomats in Moscow say the Kremlin is happy for the West to believe it is building up its military in Syria, calculating that this will give it more bargaining power in any international talks about whether Assad stays in power.
Western and Arab countries have backed demands from the Syrian opposition that Assad must give way under any negotiated settlement to the war. Assad refuses to go and so far his enemies have lacked the capability to force him out, leaving the war grinding on for years. All diplomatic efforts at a solution have collapsed.
Assad’s supporters have taken encouragement this week from an apparent shift in tone from some European states that suggests a softening of demands he leave power.
Britain, one of Assad’s staunchest Western opponents, said this week it could accept him staying in place for a transition period if it helped resolve the conflict.
France, another fierce Assad opponent, said on Monday he must leave power “at some point or another”. Smaller countries went further, with Austria saying Assad must be involved in the fight against Islamic State and Spain saying negotiations with him were necessary to end the war.
The pro-Syrian government newspaper al-Watan saw Britain’s position as “a new sign of the changes in Western positions that started with Madrid and Austria”.
Russia tells Washington: talk to us over Syria or risk 'unintended incidents'
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia called on Friday for Washington to restart direct military-to-military cooperation to avert "unintended incidents" near Syria, at a time when U.S. officials say Moscow is building up forces to protect President Bashar al-Assad's government.
The United States is leading a campaign of air strikes against Islamic State fighters in Syrian air space, and a greater Russian presence would raise the prospect of the Cold War superpower foes encountering each other on the battlefield.
Both Moscow and Washington say their enemy is Islamic State. But Russia supports the government of Assad, while the United States says his presence makes the situation worse.
In recent days, U.S. officials have described what they say is a buildup of Russian equipment and manpower.
Lebanese sources have told Reuters that at least some Russian troops were now engaged in combat operations in support of Assad's government. Moscow has declined to comment on those reports.
Migrants on a dinghy arrives at the southeastern island of Kos, Greece, after crossing from Turkey o …
At a news conference, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia was sending equipment to help Assad fight Islamic State. Russian servicemen were in Syria, he said, primarily to help service that equipment and teach Syrian soldiers how to use it.
Russia was also conducting naval exercises in the eastern Mediterranean, he said, describing the drills as long-planned and staged in accordance with international law.
Lavrov blamed Washington for cutting off direct military-to-military communications between Russia and NATO over the Ukraine crisis, saying such contacts were "important for the avoidance of undesired, unintended incidents".
"We are always in favor of military people talking to each other in a professional way. They understand each other very well," Lavrov said. "If, as (U.S. Secretary of State) John Kerry has said many times, the United States wants those channels frozen, then be our guest."
U.S. officials say they do not know what Moscow's intentions are in Syria. The reports of a Russian buildup come at a time when momentum has shifted against Assad's government in Syria's 4-year-old civil war, with Damascus suffering battlefield setbacks this year at the hands of an array of insurgent groups.
Moscow, Assad's ally since the Cold War, maintains its only Mediterranean naval base at Tartous on the Syrian coast, a strategic objective.
A member of the Syrian Arab Red Crescent carries a girl as they rush away from a site hit by what ac …
In recent months NATO-member Turkey has also raised the prospect of outside powers playing a greater role in Syria by proposing a "safe zone" near its border, kept free of both Islamic State and government troops.
COMMON ENEMY
The four-year-old multi-sided civil war in Syria has killed around 250,000 people and driven half of Syria's 23 million people from their homes. Some have traveled to European Union countries, creating a refugee crisis there.
Differences over Assad's future have made it impossible for Moscow and the West to take joint action against Islamic State, even though they say the group, which rules a self-proclaimed caliphate on swathes of Syria and Iraq, is their common enemy.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius said on Friday it was too early to judge what exactly Russia's motivations at present were in Syria, but that "adding war to war" would not help resolve the Syrian conflict.
"If it's about defending the base in Tartous why not? But if it's to enter the conflict ...." he said, without finishing the thought.
Refugees climb over fences after running from a collection point that had been set up to transport p …
BARGAINING POWER
Diplomats in Moscow say the Kremlin is happy for the West to believe it is building up its military in Syria, calculating that this will give it more bargaining power in any international talks about whether Assad stays in power.
Western and Arab countries have backed demands from the Syrian opposition that Assad must give way under any negotiated settlement to the war. Assad refuses to go and so far his enemies have lacked the capability to force him out, leaving the war grinding on for years. All diplomatic efforts at a solution have collapsed.
Assad’s supporters have taken encouragement this week from an apparent shift in tone from some European states that suggests a softening of demands he leave power.
Britain, one of Assad’s staunchest Western opponents, said this week it could accept him staying in place for a transition period if it helped resolve the conflict.
France, another fierce Assad opponent, said on Monday he must leave power “at some point or another”. Smaller countries went further, with Austria saying Assad must be involved in the fight against Islamic State and Spain saying negotiations with him were necessary to end the war.
The pro-Syrian government newspaper al-Watan saw Britain’s position as “a new sign of the changes in Western positions that started with Madrid and Austria”.
TheFinnFan
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Russia couldn't care less about ISIS ...anyone who thinks that they do doesnt know them ruskies. This is nothing but positioning themselves against USA and "coalition"
Like they did in regards to Iraq...which proved to be the right call. The rise of IS is largely down to American / coalition foreign policy over the last decade, it's understandable why Putin is pissed off.
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