Russia

[Elong]

Listen I'm just back from a few pints so might be way off but nothing will ever change until the Muslim leaders of the world come out and condone these attacks in the name of Allah. That's where the western leaders need to start.

They do come out and condemn them.

Do Western Christian leaders come out and condemn the bombing of Afghanistan hospitals?

 

[davek]

We will never agree on Corbyn, you think he's great, I think he will destroy the Labour party. His MP's have seen through him and will eventually get rid of him and his 'massive mandate'......

No, they won't get rid of him. Only the membership can do that and the latest poll this week shows that 70% of the LP membership is behind Corbyn.

The Blairites will be deselected before Corbyn is ever toppled. They are using the Syrian crisis to try and get their own way in the LP...overturning the recent leadership result. That's how undemocratic and pathetic they are.

 

[Prevenger17]

I think you meant condemn.......

He meant CONDONE.

 

[BlueAde]

John Pilger interview on 'Russia Today' program

 

[peteblue]

He meant CONDONE.

My mistake, I didn't use capitals. It depends on which attacks he was on about, by ISIS or on ISIS.......The post he was responding to suggested the former.......

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

Indiscriminate air strikes are an irrelevant notion to introduce into the debate considering that any air strikes we may will be very deliberately targeted in every sense.

Civil casualties will occur but only after every effort has been made to ensure the bombs hit legitimate targets.

Bombs by their very nature are indiscriminate.

What I was trying to say is that just bombing them won't yield the desired results. However bombing strategically in support of commited fighters on the ground has and will be effective.

 

[rbm]

They do come out and condemn them.

Do Western Christian leaders come out and condemn the bombing of Afghanistan hospitals?

Frequently. It is of course quite common for non Christians and atheists to suppose that "all religions are the same" when it comes to religion and terror.

This is like an anarchist comparing democracy and oligarchy and concluding that they are entirely the same because "All governmental systems are the same" because they re all about power.

Almost all Christian texts long predate its co-option by the Roman Empire in the 4th century. In contrast None - absolutely none - of the Islamic texts predate caliph Abd al Maliks co-option of nascent Islam to justify Arab expansion. The Caliphate gave birth to Islam not vice versa. This is just historical reality.

Islam really is quite unique in its political use......though of course I realise equivocation is attractive to post Christian western culture.

 

[Donald Twain]

They do come out and condemn them.

Do Western Christian leaders come out and condemn the bombing of Afghanistan hospitals?

Yes they do.

 

[Elong]

Well that's my fishing done for the night.

Slunks off*

 

[rbm]

Yes they do.

Given that the coalition is now de facto led by Francois hollande of France - an atheist president of an avowedly secular non Christian state perhaps if we are expanding the request for condemnation it would be more apposite to ask if spokesmen for humanist societies in the west were sufficiently vocal given the reality that a tiny minority of citizens in western Europe are Christian.

Islam is central to Levantie culture unlike Christianity in France and the UK which is effectively redundant....what imams say matter. What bishops say is irrelevant. They have no audience. The question "do Christian leaders condemn" is pointless.

Christianity has returned to its pre 4th century powerlessness....perhaps that is in its own interests for all we know.

 

[Blue 1]

Listen I'm just back from a few pints so might be way off but nothing will ever change until the Muslim leaders of the world come out and condone these attacks in the name of Allah. That's where the western leaders need to start.

I'll just leave this here.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/21/muslim-leaders-have-roundly-denounced-islamic-s/200498

 

[Professor Toffee]

Yes they do.

Yeah condemning thing isn't news unless its by Putin, Obama etc
The news dogs desensitise us to news essentially

 

[bol-uk]

Listen I'm just back from a few pints so might be way off but nothing will ever change until the Muslim leaders of the world come out and condone these attacks in the name of Allah. That's where the western leaders need to start.

I actually agree with this.

IMO, given the reaction from non-muslims, more moderate muslims need to be seen do more to denounce Isis and religion based violence as a whole. I know that many have said that it is not what is Islam is about and that Islam is a religion of peace but, that is not enough, they need to acticvely do more. Many of my brain dead mates on facebook will need a lot more convincing that all muslims are not terrorists I am afraid and there is too much silence from within them.

 

[summerisle]

I actually agree with this.

IMO, given the reaction from non-muslims, more moderate muslims need to be seen do more to denounce Isis and religion based violence as a whole. I know that many have said that it is not what is Islam is about and that Islam is a religion of peace but, that is not enough, they need to acticvely do more. Many of my brain dead mates on facebook will need a lot more convincing that all muslims are not terrorists I am afraid and there is too much silence from within them.

This is the Russia thread ; take your prejudices elsewhere.

 

[neil999]

I'll just leave this here.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/21/muslim-leaders-have-roundly-denounced-islamic-s/200498

they also took out a full page advert in the times or telegraph cant remember which lol

not enough tho, they should run round naked denouncing ISIS