Russia

[TheFinnFan]

So in what way do you think it is different from any other government?

Their way of using denial is striking. Examples are everywhere...Crimea: our troops are not working on ukraines soil....Turkey - case Pilot: I was not contacted by turkish air control. These are just two obvious Examples that everyone knows. They deny....they dont care about facts. They create their own reality. Their arrogance is off the charts. It's their way. Pay attention.

 

[peteblue]

Their way of using denial is striking. Examples are everywhere...Crimea: our troops are not working on ukraines soil....Turkey - case Pilot: I was not contacted by turkish air control. These are just two obvious Examples that everyone knows. They deny....they dont care about facts. They create their own reality. Their arrogance is off the charts. It's their way. Pay attention.

The Crimea and Ukraine examples would be laughable if they weren't so serious. Everyone and his dog knows that Russian troops were deployed and some sadly died in Ukraine. For Putin to just keep repeating the same lie sums him up really.....

 

[daylightrobber]

Their way of using denial is striking. Examples are everywhere...Crimea: our troops are not working on ukraines soil....Turkey - case Pilot: I was not contacted by turkish air control. These are just two obvious Examples that everyone knows. They deny....they dont care about facts. They create their own reality. Their arrogance is off the charts. It's their way. Pay attention.

The Crimea and Ukraine examples would be laughable if they weren't so serious. Everyone and his dog knows that Russian troops were deployed and some sadly died in Ukraine. For Putin to just keep repeating the same lie sums him up really.....

I'm not defending Putin, but all governments lie to both their own people and the international community. The consequences can be just as serious when western governments do it. The 45 minute claim being a prime example.

 

[magicjuan]

Yes it is. If you dont see it youre not paying attention.

I see it. I see it everywhere. I have been paying attention to all of them, not just one.

 

[magicjuan]

To be fair, the west actually does report many of them. In order to win public support for our actions, we even have reports in advance of committing them. But we in the west are different when we kill. Its not an atrocity when 'we' do it. We always have a worthy cause.

Can't tell if that's sarcasm or not, but our 'worthy' causes have proven to have foundations of sand,

 

[davek]

https://twitter.com/JWoodcockMP?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

There is something seriously odd about that right wing Labour MP for Barrow, John Woodcock. One of Corbyn's biggest critics (because he's the MP for a constituency where nuclear subs are made and the Trident debate threatens his cushy number in parliament), he's now describing anyone opposed to Syrian bombings as siding with suicide bombers:




...then he reacts to today's news of the Fire Brigade's Union re-affiliating with the LP (due to the election of Corbyn in large part) thus:



I'm no expert, but having seen this feller on the telly over the last few weeks I honestly think he may be mentally unstable.

 

[dandydan]

https://twitter.com/JWoodcockMP?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

There is something seriously odd about that right wing Labour MP for Barrow, John Woodcock. One of Corbyn's biggest critics (because he's the MP for a constituency where nuclear subs are made and the Trident debate threatens his cushy number in parliament), he's now describing anyone opposed to Syrian bombings as siding with suicide bombers:




...then he reacts to today's news of the Fire Brigade's Union re-affiliating with the LP (due to the election of Corbyn in large part) thus:



I'm no expert, but having seen this feller on the telly over the last few weeks I honestly think he may be mentally unstable.

"Splitters" hardly the type of language I'd expect to hear from an elected member of parliment! It's something that belongs in 6th form common rooms.

 

[summerisle]

"Splitters" hardly the type of language I'd expect to hear from an elected member of parliment! It's something that belongs in 6th form common rooms.

Or Stalinists to Trotskyists in the thirties.

 

[davek]

"Splitters" hardly the type of language I'd expect to hear from an elected member of parliment! It's something that belongs in 6th form common rooms.

It's clear he's motivated by the requirements to keep his own job as MP for a nuclear industry consituency. I understand that. But there's just something very odd about this feller. He looks to be slightly unhinged to me. I think it's more than just the fact that he comes across as a 6th former as you rightly highlight. There's something a bit off and sinister about him. Maybe he's been standing too close to the radiacative materials in Barrow.

 

[bol-uk]

https://twitter.com/JWoodcockMP?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

There is something seriously odd about that right wing Labour MP for Barrow, John Woodcock. One of Corbyn's biggest critics (because he's the MP for a constituency where nuclear subs are made and the Trident debate threatens his cushy number in parliament), he's now describing anyone opposed to Syrian bombings as siding with suicide bombers:




...then he reacts to today's news of the Fire Brigade's Union re-affiliating with the LP (due to the election of Corbyn in large part) thus:



I'm no expert, but having seen this feller on the telly over the last few weeks I honestly think he may be mentally unstable.

He should be forced to apologize for this.

In the past MP's have faced the sack for less in my opinion

 

[davek]

Or Stalinists to Trotskyists in the thirties.

He's trying to deepen the sense of 'us' and 'them' outside the party in the wider Labour movement. Disgusting...but as said, I really do think he's mentally deranged. Next time he's on the box (which shouldn't be too long to wait for as he's the current media go-to right wing LP figure) have a look and listen. He's defo either on something or teetering on the edge of insanity.

 

[davek]

He should be forced to apologize for this.

In the past MP's have faced the sack for less in my opinion

He's drunk on the power of being in the current media spotlight he's been allotted.

As I've been saying though, he does come across as being unstable, so maybe he has that as an excuse. I dont know the feller's history but I wouldn't mind betting he's had psychological issues in the past.

 

[Haston]

I see it. I see it everywhere. I have been paying attention to all of them, not just one.

This is the problem I have, doesn't matter which government is talking, all I see and hear is BS propaganda. It's a battle for power and geo-political position. None of them give a crap about the citizens of their country.

This is why I think we should keep out of it, that won't happen though.

 

[summerisle]

He's trying to deepen the sense of 'us' and 'them' outside the party in the wider Labour movement. Disgusting...but as said, I really do think he's mentally deranged. Next time he's on the box (which shouldn't be too long to wait for as he's the current media go-to right wing LP figure) have a look and listen. He's defo either on something or teetering on the edge of insanity.

There's been some rum Labour MP's. The ex Tory Shaun Woodward - the only Labour MP to have had a butler.

 

[magicjuan]

This is the problem I have, doesn't matter which government is talking, all I see and hear is BS propaganda. It's a battle for power and geo-political position. None of them give a crap about the citizens of their country.

This is why I think we should keep out of it, that won't happen though.

In a previous post I pointed this out. The war is wanted, there is economic instability globally, the bankers want the war machine to turn. It'll happen.