Salary Cap

[Sim]

What you say is true mate but it was the late Matthew Harding who saved Chelsea, Bates had less money than Billy K

Did he? I thought Bates was well rich. And I thought Bill was only worth around 3 million ish, cant remember where i read that now.

 

[TX Bill]

I don't see it happening only because you'd need all the countries to ratify such a plan.

Just one saying "no way" will keep it from happening.

 

[monty]

Did he? I thought Bates was well rich. And I thought Bill was only worth around 3 million ish, cant remember where i read that now.

Matthew Harding was worth about a billion, Bates was a front man

 

[CanadaToffee]

We all know it'll never happen. But if it could, would it level the paying field? Looking at 2 examples in North America:

NFL
Since the salary cap was introduced, this has become one of the most competitive sports leagues in the world. Any one of easily a dozen teams could have won the Superbowl this year, and aside from the Patriots there has been no real dominant team for a long time. The flip side is that equality has to some degree gone hand in hand with mediocrity (Patriots aside).

NHL
A form of cap relating to percantages of overall revenues was introduced a few years ago. So far not much has changed. And the wealthiest NHL team, the Toronto Maple Leafs, were abysmal before the cap anyway. The main result of this cap has been the ability of the team owners to run profitable on a more predictable basis, at the expnse of the players (many of whom are admittedly overpaid despite the cap).

IMO, if it were possible the best solution would be to turn all football clubs back into non-profit social organizations, and forget about any caps. But this is the real world...

 

[TX Bill]

We all know it'll never happen. But if it could, would it level the paying field? Looking at 2 examples in North America:

NFL
Since the salary cap was introduced, this has become one of the most competitive sports leagues in the world. Any one of easily a dozen teams could have won the Superbowl this year, and aside from the Patriots there has been no real dominant team for a long time. The flip side is that equality has to some degree gone hand in hand with mediocrity (Patriots aside).

NHL
A form of cap relating to percantages of overall revenues was introduced a few years ago. So far not much has changed. And the wealthiest NHL team, the Toronto Maple Leafs, were abysmal before the cap anyway. The main result of this cap has been the ability of the team owners to run profitable on a more predictable basis, at the expnse of the players (many of whom are admittedly overpaid despite the cap).

IMO, if it were possible the best solution would be to turn all football clubs back into non-profit social organizations, and forget about any caps. But this is the real world...

It's made what the Patriots have done over the past 6+ years even more impressive.

 

[atrottel]

It's made what the Patriots have done over the past 6+ years even more impressive.

Getting the rules bent or made for them? Bit like the Premier League, really.

 

[monty]

We all know it'll never happen. But if it could, would it level the paying field? Looking at 2 examples in North America:

NFL
Since the salary cap was introduced, this has become one of the most competitive sports leagues in the world. Any one of easily a dozen teams could have won the Superbowl this year, and aside from the Patriots there has been no real dominant team for a long time. The flip side is that equality has to some degree gone hand in hand with mediocrity (Patriots aside).

NHL
A form of cap relating to percantages of overall revenues was introduced a few years ago. So far not much has changed. And the wealthiest NHL team, the Toronto Maple Leafs, were abysmal before the cap anyway. The main result of this cap has been the ability of the team owners to run profitable on a more predictable basis, at the expnse of the players (many of whom are admittedly overpaid despite the cap).

IMO, if it were possible the best solution would be to turn all football clubs back into non-profit social organizations, and forget about any caps. But this is the real world...

That is what I would love to see mate, but yes you're right it will never happen. I also suspect that with so many clubs now having foreign owners the salary cap would prove impossible to police, off shore back handers would abound unfortunately. In this country R/L has a salary cap but we constantly hear of clubs abusing that system, people just can not be trusted FACT

 

[TX Bill]

Getting the rules bent or made for them? Bit like the Premier League, really.

Huh???

 

[atrottel]

Tuck rule?
Spygate?

 

[TX Bill]

Tuck rule?
Spygate?

Don't know what the Tuck rule is.

Spygate was a classic case of mountain being made out of a molehill. However, my opinion aside, the coach was fined $500,000 and they lost a first round draft pick. To my knowledge, no team in the history of the NFL has ever lost a first round draft pick as punishment for a rules violation.

 

[Cal]

I'm not sure if Everton could attract the next level players then.

 

[atrottel]

The Tuck Rule was a rule applied to Tom Brady when he fumbled. It enabled the Pats to win a Super Bowl. A little bit like the extra RS Champions League place...

With Spygate, the coach was fined a minimal amount for the alleged infringement, they lost one first round draft pick out of two that they had (losing their one but still keeping the other high first round pick, that they gained from SF if I remember rightly) and all evidence turned over by New England in the case was destroyed by the NFL. The only reason it remained a molehill was the lack of interest in pursuing any investigation.

 

[TX Bill]

I don't know if I'd call $500,000 USD minimal. I can't remember the last time a coach or manager of any US sports team was fined that amount.

Most (not all) sports fans that called into the local sportstalk radio shows to discuss it felt the punishment fit the crime and said that they didn't think the Pats gained that much of an advantage over their opponents using whatever it was that was on the tapes.

It was an embarassing situation for the Patriots but I wouldn't say that they gained so much of an advantage that they went undefeated until their Super Bowl loss.

Gotta say that I'm not familiar with the Tuck rule though nor am I familiar with how it helped the Pats. I'm guessing other teams could benefit from it as well though.

 

[TX Bill]

And that extra Champions League spot still riles me to this day.

Everyone knew the rules going in and they got the rules changed after the fact. They should have been playing in the UEFA Cup that next year, not the Champions League.

 

[atrottel]

Gotta say that I'm not familiar with the Tuck rule though nor am I familiar with how it helped the Pats. I'm guessing other teams could benefit from it as well though.

Yes, the only reason I know about it is that it benefited the Broncos at one point (not such a crucial point, though).

The thing that gets me about teams who consider themselves to be "America's Team" (Cowboys, Patriots) or the "top 4" in the PL is that the green always seems to rub their way, whether it is dodgy decisions being given, obscure rules brought up which are helpful to their case, or 20 minutes of time added on if necessary.