Sam Allardyce

[trueblue10]

Sign cenk....

From when he started, up until now, what choice did he have?

We all know we need at least 2 strikers and a left back.

The job he is doing , with the players available, is as good as anybody could have hoped for in his his first 30 days.

 

[LiamG]

Big Sam can bore his way to an FA Cup win for all i care tbh.It's a results based business.In other words if we win the FA Cup, then i couldn't care less how it's won.So long as we win it.

People have made that argument for 20 odd years.

Still waiting.

 

[Barnfred 55]

..not so sure about that, Fred. I’m of the opinion the slide would’ve continued under Unsworth, i think Allardyce’s appointment and appearance in the stand against West Ham brought the required change from the players. Remember a few days earlier how dreadful Unsworth team was at Southampton. It doesn’t get any worst than that.

Keane has come out in the press saying how much better training is under Allardyce, he has got them organised, the players know what their jobs are and he’s injected confidence in them all.

Disagree Eggs I'm afraid. I'm just not having it that Allardyce turning up in the stands had produced such a turnaround that we saw in the West Ham game, especially when he couldn't have had any input whatsoever in the dressing room for that match. Unsworth may have stumbled across it by mistake, but the line up for that game seemed a lot more secure at the back and he also found a way of getting Rooney and Sigurdsson to work together more effectively, with Rooney dictating play from deep. The fact that Allardyce went with that line up (bar rotating Davies/Morgan) for the next 5/6 matches speaks volumes for me.

Also, with the exception of Liverpool and Chelsea, all of our games under Allardyce have been against struggling teams, and I can easily see Unsworth getting similar results in all those games except the Liverpool one. I'm not for one moment suggesting that Unsworth should have been given the job on a permanent basis because he proved that he isn't anywhere near ready yet. All I am saying is that he deserves some/more credit for the work he did with the squad before Allardyce turned up.

Turning this on it's head Eggs, how do you think Allardyce would have done compared to Unsworth had he been appointed immediately Koeman left?. Given how he set up against Chelsea in the recent home league game, I doubt whether he would have done any better in the narrow away loss to them in the league cup. We were effectively already eliminated from the EL cup so he would have given that competition little relevance. In the league we lost away to a resurgent Leicester, drew away with a resurgent Palace and beat Watford at home. I really don't believe Allardyce would have done any better in any of those games. So there is just that Southampton game (who in fairness played very well on the day). He would have kept the score down certainly and perhaps even scraped a draw in my opinion. What do you think?

 

[Papa Shango]

I don’t understand how they can score when they have a crap squad. We are not allowed to score because our squad will is crap apparently, instead we have to play deep and hoof it

The game hasn't happened yet...

 

[Eggs]

Disagree Eggs I'm afraid. I'm just not having it that Allardyce turning up in the stands had produced such a turnaround that we saw in the West Ham game, especially when he couldn't have had any input whatsoever in the dressing room for that match. Unsworth may have stumbled across it by mistake, but the line up for that game seemed a lot more secure at the back and he also found a way of getting Rooney and Sigurdsson to work together more effectively, with Rooney dictating play from deep. The fact that Allardyce went with that line up (bar rotating Davies/Morgan) for the next 5/6 matches speaks volumes for me.

Also, with the exception of Liverpool and Chelsea, all of our games under Allardyce have been against struggling teams, and I can easily see Unsworth getting similar results in all those games except the Liverpool one. I'm not for one moment suggesting that Unsworth should have been given the job on a permanent basis because he proved that he isn't anywhere near ready yet. All I am saying is that he deserves some/more credit for the work he did with the squad before Allardyce turned up.

Turning this on it's head Eggs, how do you think Allardyce would have done compared to Unsworth had he been appointed immediately Koeman left?. Given how he set up against Chelsea in the recent home league game, I doubt whether he would have done any better in the narrow away loss to them in the league cup. We were effectively already eliminated from the EL cup so he would have given that competition little relevance. In the league we lost away to a resurgent Leicester, drew away with a resurgent Palace and beat Watford at home. I really don't believe Allardyce would have done any better in any of those games. So there is just that Southampton game (who in fairness played very well on the day). He would have kept the score down certainly and perhaps even scraped a draw in my opinion. What do you think?

...it’s all conjecture, Fred, but i can’t see many managers getting the return Allardyce has got since he came in. I honestly think he’d have got us organised if he had been appointed as soon as Koeman was sacked. The team arguably went backwards under Unsworth. I certainly think we’d be still down there had the change not been made.

By all accounts (ref:Keane interview) training is much more focused, the workplace happier and the team better organised since the change. Each player knows their job. The EL might have been a forlorn hope but we were getting smashed. Allardyce sent a team of reserves to Cyprus and achieved our only win.

You suggest that Unsworth was the catalyst. You indicate Unsworth was on the verge of turning things around. I say that change was vital because we were only going one way and that was downwards. Allardyce and the coaches deserve amazing praise for their achievement to date, there is no doubt about that. Only time will tell if he can now make us more of a creative force.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the Allardyce v Unsworth debate.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I don’t understand how they can score when they have a crap squad. We are not allowed to score because our squad will is crap apparently, instead we have to play deep and hoof it

Want to swap league position with Bournemouth?

 

[Jimmy The Hat]

Our supporters deserve Marco Silva relegating us.

 

[mkrudden]

I don’t understand how they can score when they have a crap squad. We are not allowed to score because our squad will is crap apparently, instead we have to play deep and hoof it

Chris?

 

[orly]

I don’t understand how they can score when they have a crap squad. We are not allowed to score because our squad will is crap apparently, instead we have to play deep and hoof it

Oh Sam we are so grateful please consider some attacking endeavour we know we have England's all time top scorer and one of the most creative midfielders in the country but maybe more than one on target is too much to ask oh no we are sorry please continue I know that in three of your seven league games you haven't even tried to win and that's fine please aim it at our chests not our eyes if possible

 

[donny]

From when he started, up until now, what choice did he have?

We all know we need at least 2 strikers and a left back.

The job he is doing , with the players available, is as good as anybody could have hoped for in his his first 30 days.

Exactly.He's transformed all of our centre halves in a few weeks when we were all doubting whether any of them could cut it.Obviously needs to be more expansive.At the moment he's got the same players.Already got Rooney playing and signs that Siggy has settled.I think he might get a tune out of some of the others in our present squad.He's done fantastic up to now.

 

[Barnfred 55]

...it’s all conjecture, Fred, but i can’t see many managers getting the return Allardyce has got since he came in. I honestly think he’d have got us organised if he had been appointed as soon as Koeman was sacked. The team arguably went backwards under Unsworth. I certainly think we’d be still down there had the change not been made.

By all accounts (ref:Keane interview) training is much more focused, the workplace happier and the team better organised since the change. Each player knows their job. The EL might have been a forlorn hope but we were getting smashed. Allardyce sent a team of reserves to Cyprus and achieved our only win.

You suggest that Unsworth was the catalyst. You indicate Unsworth was on the verge of turning things around. I say that change was vital because we were only going one way and that was downwards. Allardyce and the coaches deserve amazing praise for their achievement to date, there is no doubt about that. Only time will tell if he can now make us more of a creative force.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the Allardyce v Unsworth debate.

Well at least we agree on something.

Funny how it's considered conjecture when you don't agree, and a reasoned argument when you do.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Allardyce came from nothing. You only have to read his book to get that.

He is a driven person. And nothing would please him more than to be successful at a big club i.e. Everton.

 

[matty1878]

From when he started, up until now, what choice did he have?

We all know we need at least 2 strikers and a left back.

The job he is doing , with the players available, is as good as anybody could have hoped for in his his first 30 days.

It’s like banging your head on a brick wall here. I know he can’t get players until nxt week but if you think sams the man to take us forwards I’m worried.

 

[miff]

Disagree Eggs I'm afraid. I'm just not having it that Allardyce turning up in the stands had produced such a turnaround that we saw in the West Ham game, especially when he couldn't have had any input whatsoever in the dressing room for that match. Unsworth may have stumbled across it by mistake, but the line up for that game seemed a lot more secure at the back and he also found a way of getting Rooney and Sigurdsson to work together more effectively, with Rooney dictating play from deep. The fact that Allardyce went with that line up (bar rotating Davies/Morgan) for the next 5/6 matches speaks volumes for me.

Also, with the exception of Liverpool and Chelsea, all of our games under Allardyce have been against struggling teams, and I can easily see Unsworth getting similar results in all those games except the Liverpool one. I'm not for one moment suggesting that Unsworth should have been given the job on a permanent basis because he proved that he isn't anywhere near ready yet. All I am saying is that he deserves some/more credit for the work he did with the squad before Allardyce turned up.

Turning this on it's head Eggs, how do you think Allardyce would have done compared to Unsworth had he been appointed immediately Koeman left?. Given how he set up against Chelsea in the recent home league game, I doubt whether he would have done any better in the narrow away loss to them in the league cup. We were effectively already eliminated from the EL cup so he would have given that competition little relevance. In the league we lost away to a resurgent Leicester, drew away with a resurgent Palace and beat Watford at home. I really don't believe Allardyce would have done any better in any of those games. So there is just that Southampton game (who in fairness played very well on the day). He would have kept the score down certainly and perhaps even scraped a draw in my opinion. What do you think?

Unsworth was cack, plain and simple......embarrassingly cack

 

[Barnfred 55]

Unsworth was cack, plain and simple......embarrassingly cack

I agree up to a point. In his defence he had taken over a very unbalanced squad where the senior players had downed tools. He was clearly out of his depth but at least he got most of the players, especially the younger ones, working hard again. Some of his team selections and game tactics were strange (being kind there) but he did finally stumble across one that worked in his last match against West Ham. Allardyce ran with that same team and system for the next 5/6 games. You can't deny that because it's fact.

At the end of the day Unsworth had 4 league games in charge after Koeman left, 3 of them away. His record was 1 win, 1 draw and 2 defeats. Given that we had midweek cup games every week plus an International break, he had very little time to work with the squad on the training ground. Ask Sunderand fans what they thought of Allardyce after his first 4/5 weeks with them. Or Palace fans last season for that matter. Don't recall them chanting his name after we beat them 1-0 at their place in January, ironically Koemans last away won with us.