Sandhills station

[Jacko93]

You attended an event attended by 25,000 people at a stadium that'll see 55,000 people passing through it every game.

And IIRC you got back handily because you said you got a bit of luck with a lift after the game or something? Not everyone was as lucky as you. Clearly.

I went as well. I walked back into town, stopped at te Invisible Wind Factory after the bridge and when I walked out the place was completely empty. The walk back to Moorfields was a breeze and the train was easy to get on to.
With 55k, maybe I'll need another pint to let it all calm down, who cares.

The walk back might not be easy for all, but they will find their own way as well. Time will tell. Solutions will arise as necessity is the mother of all invention.

It's passed, its built, we're moving. If you like, start a petition to prevent it passing its safety certification, see what support you get. Write a strongly worded letter to Rotheram, use your voting powers. Let them know exactly where you think it has all gone wrong, and why. Just experience it for yourself first.

Your are angry due to other people's experiences, when in all honestly only those who had issues were heard. Many, many more got home without a glitch, yet they haven't been heard publicly. I had more issues at the first test than the second, but it was all due to familiarity of the area and routine. Id figured out the bits that didn't work in the first and altered them for the second, as many others will have done. It won't be perfect, not for a long time, but its not the armageddon you are making it out to be.

Stuck at sandhills? Walk to town.
Stuck at the bridge? Walk down great Howard street
Can't walk that distance? Get a bus. If the demand for buses is higher than expected, they'll put on more buses.

I went to Wembley years ago (Evertons fault). When we left, we kept on getting stopped down Wembley way with a stop & go system. Should that not have had planning approved.

I went to watch the women's Olympic final in 2012. I ended up walking about 6 miles due to crowded stations, huge queues and no availability of taxis. My pregnant wife was with me. Should planning consent not have been granted?

Truth is, the majority of people that attended those events got home perfectly fine and my issues were largely down to unfamiliarity (Again, Evertons fault) and the next time I visited each, my experience improved.

 

[davek]

What is not safe ?

Crowds of people crammed onto every square inch of a single platform at Sandhills with rail track on either side...and that with something like 40% capacity in the stadium.

 

[davek]

Be sure to let us know your experience when you go to the game Dave. You are going now BK's dead, right?

Here's your birthday card Mr Everton.

 

[davek]

I went as well. I walked back into town, stopped at te Invisible Wind Factory after the bridge and when I walked out the place was completely empty. The walk back to Moorfields was a breeze and the train was easy to get on to.
With 55k, maybe I'll need another pint to let it all calm down, who cares.

The walk back might not be easy for all, but they will find their own way as well. Time will tell. Solutions will arise as necessity is the mother of all invention.

It's passed, its built, we're moving. If you like, start a petition to prevent it passing its safety certification, see what support you get. Write a strongly worded letter to Rotheram, use your voting powers. Let them know exactly where you think it has all gone wrong, and why. Just experience it for yourself first.

Your are angry due to other people's experiences, when in all honestly only those who had issues were heard. Many, many more got home without a glitch, yet they haven't been heard publicly. I had more issues at the first test than the second, but it was all due to familiarity of the area and routine. Id figured out the bits that didn't work in the first and altered them for the second, as many others will have done. It won't be perfect, not for a long time, but its not the armageddon you are making it out to be.

Stuck at sandhills? Walk to town.
Stuck at the bridge? Walk down great Howard street
Can't walk that distance? Get a bus. If the demand for buses is higher than expected, they'll put on more buses.

I went to Wembley years ago (Evertons fault). When we left, we kept on getting stopped down Wembley way with a stop & go system. Should that not have had planning approved.

I went to watch the women's Olympic final in 2012. I ended up walking about 6 miles due to crowded stations, huge queues and no availability of taxis. My pregnant wife was with me. Should planning consent not have been granted?

Truth is, the majority of people that attended those events got home perfectly fine and my issues were largely down to unfamiliarity (Again, Evertons fault) and the next time I visited each, my experience improved.

Darwin's theory of natural selection applied to getting to and from a state of the art 21st century football stadium.

Something doesn't add up really does it?

 

[Tom Hughes]

I went to both test events using the shuttle buses. 1st event was a breeze before and after for us. 2nd event was gridlocked before and had to get off shuttle bus by Great Howard St and walk due to far too many cars trying to get as close as possible. Afterwards, back on bus at Liverpool One bus station in less than 5 mins because bus segregation and the Grt Howard St-Leeds St Junction was was far superior for return journey. Most seemed to be walking into town, perhaps unaware of where to get buses. A few friends living in the North end used the train from Sandhills and said that it was effortless for them. No-one is saying that it is ideal..... far from it infact. The station appears to have been quite well managed for the second event.... but if it's deemed too dangerous the authorities will have to limit access further. The big issue remains the control of traffic in the immediate area and that key junction where better priority needs to be given to Shuttle buses. No-one is saying that it is the finished product, but I think there may be few relatively simple solutions to improve it dramatically.

 

[James Patrick]

Crowds of people crammed onto every square inch of a single platform at Sandhills with rail track on either side...and that with something like 40% capacity in the stadium.

But they won't be - thats why there's a waiting area outside the station. No one will be on the platform until a train is about to arrive and you can bet your bottom dollar they'll now start to limit numbers within even tighter parameters.
No different to Central at rush hour.

 

[davek]

But they won't be - thats why there's a waiting area outside the station. No one will be on the platform until a train is about to arrive and you can bet your bottom dollar they'll now start to limit numbers within even tighter parameters.
No different to Central at rush hour.

Let's see what happens when there's a full capacity match and queues are forming a quarter of a mile long. Factor in the inevitable delays and emotions of a match day and loads wont be queuing patiently, that's for sure.

The only solution there is to build another platform, and that will take a lot of time to do under this council/network rail/regional authority. Maybe by Euro2028...maybe...

 

[davek]

Everton Chair the meetings. It is their planning application, including agreed transport plan.

But hold on, you stated a couple of weeks back regarding the transport plan that it's...

"... a collective responsibility".

Is this not your position anymore?

 

[Mr Mig]

I went as well. I walked back into town, stopped at te Invisible Wind Factory after the bridge and when I walked out the place was completely empty. The walk back to Moorfields was a breeze and the train was easy to get on to.
With 55k, maybe I'll need another pint to let it all calm down, who cares.

The walk back might not be easy for all, but they will find their own way as well. Time will tell. Solutions will arise as necessity is the mother of all invention.

It's passed, its built, we're moving. If you like, start a petition to prevent it passing its safety certification, see what support you get. Write a strongly worded letter to Rotheram, use your voting powers. Let them know exactly where you think it has all gone wrong, and why. Just experience it for yourself first.

Your are angry due to other people's experiences, when in all honestly only those who had issues were heard. Many, many more got home without a glitch, yet they haven't been heard publicly. I had more issues at the first test than the second, but it was all due to familiarity of the area and routine. Id figured out the bits that didn't work in the first and altered them for the second, as many others will have done. It won't be perfect, not for a long time, but its not the armageddon you are making it out to be.

Stuck at sandhills? Walk to town.
Stuck at the bridge? Walk down great Howard street
Can't walk that distance? Get a bus. If the demand for buses is higher than expected, they'll put on more buses.

I went to Wembley years ago (Evertons fault). When we left, we kept on getting stopped down Wembley way with a stop & go system. Should that not have had planning approved.

I went to watch the women's Olympic final in 2012. I ended up walking about 6 miles due to crowded stations, huge queues and no availability of taxis. My pregnant wife was with me. Should planning consent not have been granted?

Truth is, the majority of people that attended those events got home perfectly fine and my issues were largely down to unfamiliarity (Again, Evertons fault) and the next time I visited each, my experience improved.

Short sighted and just hoping all will be well. Thank goodness there are people prepared to look at the bigger picture and press for better for all Evertonians on their travels to and from BM

 

[Jacko93]

Short sighted and just hoping all will be well. Thank goodness there are people prepared to look at the bigger picture and press for better for all Evertonians on their travels to and from BM

Its not short sighted at all. Quite the opposite in fact. Im the one looking at how.it plays out in the long term, accepting that it won't be perfect on day one. Some people are judging the next 100 years of a stadium location based upon two test events, where some experiences were improved in the second, as opposed to the first.

Isn't perfect? No, not at all.

Should it have been better from the off? Yes.

Are there ways it can be improved going forward? Yes

Will people find better ways over time? Yes

Is it the end of the world and worth a person who has no experience of it, and likely not to for a quite a while, blowing a gasket and demand that the stadium should never have been built cause people will die. No. Absolutely not.

 

[Mr Mig]

Its not short sighted at all. Quite the opposite in fact. Im the one looking at how.it plays out in the long term, accepting that it won't be perfect on day one. Some people are judging the next 100 years of a stadium location based upon two test events, where some experiences were improved in the second, as opposed to the first.

Isn't perfect? No, not at all.

Should it have been better from the off? Yes.

Are there ways it can be improved going forward? Yes

Will people find better ways over time? Yes

Is it the end of the world and worth a person who has no experience of it, and likely not to for a quite a while, blowing a gasket and demand that the stadium should never have been built cause people will die. No. Absolutely not.

Disagree. This is imo very short sighted. Almost wishing away the problem. Urgent action is required to sort out the transport issues to and from the ground. Not in a few years time. Now.

 

[Jacko93]

Disagree. This is imo very short sighted. Almost wishing away the problem. Urgent action is required to sort out the transport issues to and from the ground. Not in a few years time. Now.

How is saying that it will take time to settle and for people to change their habits being short sighted?

Yes there are issues. Yes there may be more, and they will all need to be sorted. However basing an entire opinion off two test events, that you weren't even at, with unfamiliarity at play is the short sighted view, in my opinion.

 

[Tom Hughes]

But hold on, you stated a couple of weeks back regarding the transport plan that it's...

"... a collective responsibility".

Is this not your position anymore?

Context.... you know quite well that the club "chairing the TWG" and it "being their transport plan" was a factual assertion in response to your insistence on wanting to blame the Council for everything.

I haven't tried to put blame any individual part of the TWG at any point....

 

[davek]

Context.... you know quite well that the club "chairing the TWG" and it "being their transport plan" was a factual assertion in response to your insistence on wanting to blame the Council for everything.

I haven't tried to put blame any individual part of the TWG at any point....

I'm not blaming the council "for everything". Just the desperate way they pushed through the Everton stadium application by giving the transport shortcomings a free pass. And now we see what that achieved...

 

[Exeter_Gently]

I'm not blaming the council "for everything". Just the desperate way they pushed through the Everton stadium application and gave the transport situation a free pass. And now we see what that achieved...

So this is where you hang out when Everton win