Scottish football

[davek]

I was away on holiday ,while it was on Davek@ .
But she said she was scared to look out of the windows as there were loads of RS, one had hit a rangers fan with a crutch and a car window was smashed by them.
She was in on her own and didn't want to get caught looking out incase they thought she had called the plod.
Bloody hell I miss all the fun.

Oh I defo dont doubt your daughter's recollection mate. I've no doubt that happened.

It's just my experience over the years that if one of these firms turn up in town it's Everton they have to worry about rather than the Kopites.

 

[edge]

Oh I defo dont doubt your daughter's recollection mate. I've no doubt that happened.

It's just my experience over the years that if one of these firms turn up in town it's Everton they have to worry about rather than the Kopites.

True, they were decent in the 70s ,maybe early 80s but I would say most fans would say its Everton they would worry about more.
Saying that mate we don't really bother with the foreign fans , over the years only seen trouble with Ac Milan, the Dutch, and the Scots teams , the odd little thing at others but as a rule they get a walk over,as long as they behave.

 

[davek]

True, they were decent in the 70s ,maybe early 80s but I would say most fans would say its Everton they would worry about more.
Saying that mate we don't really bother with the foreign fans , over the years only seen trouble with Ac Milan, the Dutch, and the Scots teams , the odd little thing at others but as a rule they get a walk over,as long as they behave.

Defo. A good thing as well.

The last major flare up I can recall was the United game a few years ago down Everton Valley.

 

[larbert toffee]

Rangers.

You could have broke it to him more gently ?

 

[edge]

Defo. A good thing as well.

The last major flare up I can recall was the United game a few years ago down Everton Valley.

The younger lot are still at it.
There was actually murder with united the year before at the Valley.
Before that one hit the headlines.
I nearly came a cropper , fronted them just by notre dame school, but what I didn't know was the coppers had locked the doors on the Valley pub with are boys inside, and I was on my own.
Got told to grow up and fk off by the coppers and walked down the road by two of them.
I was going through a bad time and just lost the it as I had long given up that game and just got caught up in it.
Made a fkn show of myself to be honest.
United lads were laughing at me as well saying get a crew soft lad.
They got attacked all the way to lime St, once the lads got out of the pub
Think there was a little piece about it in the express or mail the next day.

 

[davek]

The younger lot are still at it.
There was actually murder with united the year before at the Valley.
Before that one hit the headlines.
I nearly came a cropper , fronted them just by notre dame school, but what I didn't know was the coppers had locked the doors on the Valley pub with are boys inside, and I was on my own.
Got told to grow up and fk off by the coppers and walked down the road by two of them.
I was going through a bad time and just lost the it as I had long given up that game and just got caught up in it.
Made a fkn show of myself to be honest.
United lads were laughing at me as well saying get a crew soft lad.
They got attacked all the way to lime St, once the lads got out of the pub
Think there was a little piece about it in the express or mail the next day.

The muscle memory is still there edge!

 

[larbert toffee]

The younger lot are still at it.
There was actually murder with united the year before at the Valley.
Before that one hit the headlines.
I nearly came a cropper , fronted them just by notre dame school, but what I didn't know was the coppers had locked the doors on the Valley pub with are boys inside, and I was on my own.
Got told to grow up and fk off by the coppers and walked down the road by two of them.
I was going through a bad time and just lost the it as I had long given up that game and just got caught up in it.
Made a fkn show of myself to be honest.
United lads were laughing at me as well saying get a crew soft lad.
They got attacked all the way to lime St, once the lads got out of the pub
Think there was a little piece about it in the express or mail the next day.

Bit Edgy even back then Edge?

 

[Connor]

Well done, the lads

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Well done, the lads

Not sure I'm seeing the connection between the two issues, there...

 

[Cork Evertonian]

The younger lot are still at it.
There was actually murder with united the year before at the Valley.
Before that one hit the headlines.
I nearly came a cropper , fronted them just by notre dame school, but what I didn't know was the coppers had locked the doors on the Valley pub with are boys inside, and I was on my own.
Got told to grow up and fk off by the coppers and walked down the road by two of them.
I was going through a bad time and just lost the it as I had long given up that game and just got caught up in it.
Made a fkn show of myself to be honest.
United lads were laughing at me as well saying get a crew soft lad.
They got attacked all the way to lime St, once the lads got out of the pub
Think there was a little piece about it in the express or mail the next day.

Was there any truth to the rumours, that rs reinforcements arrived on the scene and took sides with Everton during that trouble, or was that just an urban legend?

 

[Cork Evertonian]

I don't have any books in relation to football hooliganism. Although if @edge ever decided to put his stories into print form by writing a book, it would make for interesting reading all the same. I would imagine going to an away game in the 70's and 80's, wasn't an experience that would be recommended for the faint hearted!

 

[edge]

I don't have any books in relation to football hooliganism. Although if @edge ever decided to put his stories into print form by writing a book, it would make for interesting reading all the same. I would imagine going to an away game in the 70's and 80's, wasn't an experience that would be recommended for the faint hearted!

It certainly wasn't mate, 70's was mayhem i only a kid , but the coppers were not on the ball as they are now.
It was either fight or flight, not ashamed to say I did I bit of both.
You had no choice if you wanted to see your team away.
Don't judge it on anything like it is now.
You would ho somewhere and get a rough time them wait to give it back at home ,next minute you in the thick of it.
80s was more vicious as the groups were smaller and weapons got involved.
I wish it was like it is now to be honest.
Stories sound exciting but they are real and people got hurt, I did myself a few times and ending up in court is no fun unless you are crackers.

 

[edge]

Was there any truth to the rumours, that rs reinforcements arrived on the scene and took sides with Everton during that trouble, or was that just an urban legend?

Load of bollocks , they were out and about, got legged by the bottom of anny Rd by united.
A few odd ones were there when it went off it was 99% Everton, think one or two of theirs got arrested.
It's just makes them look the part and united look better taking on a combined mob, the United lot that broke away did themselves proud ,in my eyes but there mates who stood on the pavement bottled it big time.
What you can't see on the clips on YouTube ect is the shear size of the Everton mob, that was down the valley, the cops were keeping them back , that's why the lads in the valley pub got the chance to get involved with United.
If the Everton fans further down had been able to get passed the coppers it would have been a lot worse.
Everton and Liverpool used to be OK with each other up until about 80s after that no way would they have anything to do with each other.
Even before that unless they were both at home they didn't join up, odd one from each side might be about but nothing organised.
Only twice have I gone to anfield in Everton mobs outside of a Derby, The Chelsea game after Kenny high, and half of that was because they gave vouchers out for the upcoming Derby game.
And the Arsenal semi final as there were leaflets knocking about saying there was a London united mob coming down.
I ended up getting split up from the Everton lads, and made the mistake of thinking they were the same as us , I ended up in hospital ,got webbed all over the show, by two coach loads of them and a mini bus that slammed on to join in.
Then like I idiot I got up and started again they finished me off with half bricks to the head.
While liverpool's lads that I had known since I was a kids did a runner.
As I walked back. I Ran into a few of my mates about a dozen of them , they flipped and got into the arsenal and smashed the mini bus up , the arsenal lot backed right off and the liverpool's lot got a bit of bottle back about 5 minutes to late for me.
As a foot note there were 145 people in hospital that night from the game, only 2 scousers , me and another blue who got ran over getting into a fight so liverpool didn't have any causality at all.
Sorry to ramble on.
That was the start of a three season war between me and arsenal, ( who were miles the best cockney mob at the time, not Chelsea or wham as the books make out.)
I got sweet revenge in my own street at the end of it, got the fella who tripped me me up.
But that's another story.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Was there any truth to the rumours, that rs reinforcements arrived on the scene and took sides with Everton during that trouble, or was that just an urban legend?

It was Chelsea.....

 

[Cork Evertonian]

It certainly wasn't mate, 70's was mayhem i only a kid , but the coppers were not on the ball as they are now.
It was either fight or flight, not ashamed to say I did I bit of both.
You had no choice if you wanted to see your team away.
Don't judge it on anything like it is now.
You would ho somewhere and get a rough time them wait to give it back at home ,next minute you in the thick of it.
80s was more vicious as the groups were smaller and weapons got involved.
I wish it was like it is now to be honest.
Stories sound exciting but they are real and people got hurt, I did myself a few times and ending up in court is no fun unless you are crackers.

Oh i know people got hurt, but we have people like Danny Dyer and that film the Football Factory, and you have all these books on the subject as well. Football violence is very much something, that has been glamourized a bit by the media indeed over the years.

I have no issue if someone needs to settle something one on one or five on five or whatever, but when you have a situation where it's five or six on one, i kind of see that sort of thing as very much out of bounds.

That's not me making any judgement on you at all. You lived through it and experienced it i didn't. When trouble comes your way, you have to respond accordingly.