2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[matty1878]

One of the reasons I'd think about doing it now is that I feel like we're in danger of being stuck in The Dyche Cycle - he's the man you need to get you out of the relegation battle he's got you into.

Then you don't sack him because he got you out of the relegation battle, then he gets you into a relegation battle, then you can't sack him because he's the man to......

sack him then get him back if we’re in bottom 3 then sack him when we’re safe?

 

[Giraffe_Baker]

Apart from Myko and maybe gana, Potter would not be starting any of those listed.

Our squad is a squad of professional footballers who multiple clubs/managers/dofs have signed because of their ability to play football.

They are players that would have finished 12th last season. Just because they have been managed poorly by successive managers, let’s not pretend they can’t pass a football.

And they got there by playing attritional percentage football. We've seen Gana gift Brighton a goal taking the ball off the keeper, Pickford gift a goal with the ball at his feet and even Iroegbunam gave Doncaster their only decent chance after taking the ball from Pickford.

As a group, they're not good technical footballers at this level. They're a physical side who can compete and bully sides when they're at their best (Liverpool being the prime example).

 

[Blue peter]

sack him then get him back if we’re in bottom 3 then sack him when we’re safe?

He could be a seasonal manager, just comes in for winter and spring

 

[matty1878]

He could be a seasonal manager, just comes in for winter and spring

 

[SuperKev91]

And they got there by playing attritional percentage football. We've seen Gana gift Brighton a goal taking the ball off the keeper, Pickford gift a goal with the ball at his feet and even Iroegbunam gave Doncaster their only decent chance after taking the ball from Pickford.

As a group, they're not good technical footballers at this level. They're a physical side who can compete and bully sides when they're at their best (Liverpool being the prime example).

Exactly this, not sure how people can’t see it.

We haven’t got the players to play aesthetically pleasing football (bar a couple, new lads look tidy). We can be effective though, and we were yesterday for the most part.

 

[Street end man]

sack him then get him back if we’re in bottom 3 then sack him when we’re safe?

Yes exactly, fans don't know whether they want to bum him or burn him at the stake, it changes from game to game

 

[kenada_blue]

Exactly this, not sure how people can’t see it.

We haven’t got the players to play aesthetically pleasing football (bar a couple, new lads look tidy). We can be effective though, and we were yesterday for the most part.

We've not played good football since Roberto Martinez. Spent £400mill+ since and had an 8 point deduction because of it to be served varieties of slop by a variety of managers (one of whom is one of the greatest to ever be in the game).

I don't mind slop if it wins games.

 

[Blue peter]

Exactly this, not sure how people can’t see it.

We haven’t got the players to play aesthetically pleasing football (bar a couple, new lads look tidy). We can be effective though, and we were yesterday for the most part.

But isn’t that where coaching comes in? Daily drills? Timing them when they take the ball to giving it etc, coaching player movement?

Dyche doesn’t do any of that seemingly, he mentions shape too much, and I think it’s obviously he’s talking about shape he means defensive shape but that changes when the team transitions. That’s why there’s not much movement.

 

[SuperKev91]

But isn’t that where coaching comes in? Daily drills? Timing them when they take the ball to giving it etc, coaching player movement?

Dyche doesn’t do any of that seemingly, he mentions shape too much, and I think it’s obviously he’s talking about shape he means defensive shape but that changes when the team transitions. That’s why there’s not much movement.

You can drill how a team moves and their off the ball stuff of course, you aren’t going to suddenly get players like these playing attractive stuff dominating the ball.

We are good at dominating the areas of the pitch we want to play in (when we play well), that’s the only way this squad are going to get results.

Bielsa took one look and said, “Nah, give me the u21s to the end of the season and then we’ll rip it up and start again”. He knew this lot aren’t going to play progressively.

We’re at our best playing pragmatic, front foot football - dominating in both boxes - and mixing up when and how we press. We don’t look capable at all of playing out or through a teams press.

Anyone thinking we are about to start playing with the squad we have now is very mistaken in my opinion.

 

[Blue peter]

You can drill how a team moves and their off the ball stuff of course, you aren’t going to suddenly get players like these playing attractive stuff dominating the ball.

We are good at dominating the areas of the pitch we want to play in (when we play well), that’s the only way this squad are going to get results.

Bielsa took one look and said, “Nah, give me the u21s to the end of the season and then we’ll rip it up and start again”. He knew this lot aren’t going to play progressively.

We’re at our best playing pragmatic, front foot football - dominating in both boxes - and mixing up when and how we press. We don’t look capable at all of playing out or through a teams press.

Anyone thinking we are about to start playing with the squad we have now is very mistaken in my opinion.

Good point about Bielsa but I guess without him having seen our U21s, he is assuming that players can be coached - but maybe because they are younger he thought they would be more receptive to it

 

[SuperKev91]

Good point about Bielsa but I guess without him having seen our U21s, he is assuming that players can be coached - but maybe because they are younger he thought they would be more receptive to it

He knew that the squad we have/had were not capable of playing how he wanted. Short term/long term, not happening.

Of course players can be coached, they can improve, but generally speaking at 24/25 you aren’t going to see massive level changes technically - usually decision making/composure and in game IQ.

Case in point - Gana, 3 years at PSG training with better players, better coaches, better facilities (I assume). Has he improved technically?

 

[TrueBlue1978]

He's never slated the players like that in an interview before....this could signal the end or hopefully give certain players a kick up the ass they need....I fear it will be the latter!

 

[hashbike]

Can’t help but think that a 3-4-3 is best suited for the current squad. I know Thelwell is a fan of 3 at the back and likes Corberan who plays that formation too.

First X1:

Pickford
O’brien Tark JB
Garner Gana Mangala McNeil
Ndiaye DCL Broja

Second X1
Begovic
Coleman Keane Myko
Patterson Doucs Tim Harrison
Lindstrom Beto Chermitti

 

[SuperKev91]

Can’t help but think that a 3-4-3 is best suited for the current squad. I know Thelwell is a fan of 3 at the back and likes Corberan who plays that formation too.

First X1:

Pickford
O’brien Tark JB
Garner Gana Mangala McNeil
Ndiaye DCL Broja

Second X1
Begovic
Coleman Keane Myko
Patterson Doucs Tim Harrison
Lindstrom Beto Chermitti

Quite like this but I don’t think you’d drop Tim in that two, he’s pretty box to box.

 

[Gilbert..]

He's never slated the players like that in an interview before....this could signal the end or hopefully give certain players a kick up the ass they need....I fear it will be the latter!

if i was one of the players who had run themselves into the ground and then basically came up against half a team of fresh legs id be listening to him thinking why he never used the bench.
Still pretty much pissed with him doing sweet eff all at 2-1 up to break their flow.