2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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If he’d got 8 wins but Leeds and Leicester got 9 each and we’d gone down would anyone have cared, or brought up the caveat that the teams he was against were good?

No, you would have slammed him as the man who took us down. You can’t caveat one half of a binary outcome.
Erm.....all hypothetical there.

You are abit judgemental in telling people what they 'will say'.

Its a trait Dyche seems to have too
 

I love the assumption that nobody even half decent wants to come and manage us. I’d rather have Moyes or Potter right now, and yeah they aren’t who I want long term but it’s better than this. I don’t think Dyche has a clue, his substitutions show it and he does not know how to close out a game. He harps on about how good a job he’s done trying to convince every fan that it’s an almost impossible task. Absolute bs, this squads better than he getting out of it. I use to support the fella, not anymore, he’s a dinosaur and he’s going to take us with them into extinction.
Moyes would do it interim.
Backing himself to do well enough to get full contract.

Corberan is the new hipster name on everyones lips with west brom doing well, which im proud to say i was on that bandwagon before most
 
Dyche is a realist. Some on here just can’t handle the truth.

Apparently squad quality, injuries, board disruption, PS&R, selling you better players, ownership uncertainty, points deductions are not challenges that affect performance on the pitch when your name is Sean Dyche.
And he would have seen an away win following lots of good chances created and a wonderfully take goal had two centre backs with a combined 500+ PL appearances put a name on a harmless cross and nodded it away. 🤷‍♂️

Some of the subs are often baffling, but unless he flat out lied about Ndiaye having cramp and Lindstrom being spent, then he had to change it. Couple of weeks ago he was hammered for not taking a clearly exhausted Tim off and we lost. Takes our best player off with cramp (who we can’t afford to get injured) and that’s apparently why we lost.

If the club was stable, he’d be gone. His personality isn’t a great fit, and the squad needs a reset. His repeated ideas will have worn very thin and when they stop working for the umpteenth time, players stop believing. Just the way it is.

But we aren’t stable and he won’t go yet. He’s made plenty of decisions that can be correctly used to criticise him. He is not getting the best from this squad (when all available), it’s not this bad at all. Neither did any of the last half dozen managers other than Carlo and they all got sacked, so will he unless things pick up when everyone is fit.

But, certainly online, split second individual cock ups that happen on the pitch are all his fault as well because “he picks em.” It’s understandable. Everyone needs someone to hate because Mosh is out of the picture.

I dread to think who would replace him next week. We are purgatory until the club gets sorted out.
 
Dyche is a realist. Some on here just can’t handle the truth.

Apparently squad quality, injuries, board disruption, PS&R, selling you better players, ownership uncertainty, points deductions are not challenges that affect performance on the pitch when your name is Sean Dyche.

We escaped relegation with relative ease last season (for us of late anyway). I think that's given some the belief we can push on to mid table and beyond and that "we have the players now" to do that. Well, we cant and we dont.

We have the quality of players we have to get us to maybe 14th at a push 13th (with a fair wind behind us). That's our level and that's ok for now. But if we start with the managerial merry-go-round again we can forget about surviving with a couple of weeks to spare.

There's some who believe we'll get an Emery in, or someone less proven but equally effective. They're barking mad. No manager of quality will touch a squad like this unless they get a massive pay check, and that's the route that's got us where we are right now: paying off the latest flavour of the month and their backroom staff.
 

We escaped relegation with relative ease last season (for us of late anyway). I think that's given some the belief we can push on to mid table and beyond and that "we have the players now" to do that. Well, we cant and we dont.

We have the quality of players we have to get us to maybe 14th at a push 13th (with a fair wind behind us). That's our level and that's ok for now. But if we start with the managerial merry-go-round again we can forget about surviving with a couple of weeks to spare.

There's some who believe we'll get an Emery in, or someone less proven but equally effective. They're barking mad. No manager of quality will touch a squad like this unless they get a massive pay check, and that's the route that's got us where we are right now: paying off the latest flavour of the month and their backroom staff.
I’m not a fan of Dyche and his “football style” is eye bleeding awful most of the time. For a supposedly tough gaffer he does seem remarkably thin skinned and the job appears too big for him.
However,the club is rudderless and I think he fronted up a lot of garbage last season when the board executive went missing in action which he could have swerved.
We have 1 point after 5 games which is the same as last season and based on games I have seen so far we could argue we could have between 4-7 points(similar to last season when we should have got more out of the Fulham and Wolves games).
We got 23 points from the bottom 5/6 teams last season and we need to do the same this season to give ourselves a good chance of staying up and I think that is what Dyche will aim to do. It’s not pretty and it’s not aspirational but we do have a poor squad of players and it will be another painful season.
The next six games are critical in terms of getting some wins on the board and moving out of the bottom 3. If we don’t progress over these games then Dyche will struggle to hold on to his job regardless of how much of a basket case the club is.
 
I’m not a fan of Dyche and his “football style” is eye bleeding awful most of the time. For a supposedly tough gaffer he does seem remarkably thin skinned and the job appears too big for him.
However,the club is rudderless and I think he fronted up a lot of garbage last season when the board executive went missing in action which he could have swerved.
We have 1 point after 5 games which is the same as last season and based on games I have seen so far we could argue we could have between 4-7 points(similar to last season when we should have got more out of the Fulham and Wolves games).
We got 23 points from the bottom 5/6 teams last season and we need to do the same this season to give ourselves a good chance of staying up and I think that is what Dyche will aim to do. It’s not pretty and it’s not aspirational but we do have a poor squad of players and it will be another painful season.
The next six games are critical in terms of getting some wins on the board and moving out of the bottom 3. If we don’t progress over these games then Dyche will struggle to hold on to his job regardless of how much of a basket case the club is.

One thing in our favour is that I can see a group of clubs beyond the usual 2/3 who look terrible at the moment. They'll provide more of a cushion for Everton if we get a run of wins and draws together.

The ay we've played for 2/3rds of the 90 minutes we play is encouraging. We need to see games out and add security to the defence. These are very fixable things.
 
He’s got 23 points out of his last 26 games - works out at 33 points over the course of a season. Awful

Jep, it's a massive set back.

35 47 January till Burnley December 2023 = 1.34 ppg That's 51.
26 23 Spurs till Leicester September 2024 = 0.88 ppg That's 33,6 points.

So it's 18 points less in a 38 game season.

+ that was the table after last 1st leg of the season, then we can really say good job, from where we came from when he took over.

48:50 goals and 54 points, that would have been overachieving surely with last season's squad. I expect with that squad to get 45p of manager.
 

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We escaped relegation with relative ease last season (for us of late anyway). I think that's given some the belief we can push on to mid table and beyond and that "we have the players now" to do that. Well, we cant and we dont.

We have the quality of players we have to get us to maybe 14th at a push 13th (with a fair wind behind us). That's our level and that's ok for now. But if we start with the managerial merry-go-round again we can forget about surviving with a couple of weeks to spare.

There's some who believe we'll get an Emery in, or someone less proven but equally effective. They're barking mad. No manager of quality will touch a squad like this unless they get a massive pay check, and that's the route that's got us where we are right now: paying off the latest flavour of the month and their backroom staff.

Who are you trying to convince, as it sounds very much like you`re trying very hard to convince yourself that everything is rosy in the garden ?
 
One thing in our favour is that I can see a group of clubs beyond the usual 2/3 who look terrible at the moment. They'll provide more of a cushion for Everton if we get a run of wins and draws together.

The ay we've played for 2/3rds of the 90 minutes we play is encouraging. We need to see games out and add security to the defence. These are very fixable things.
I thought Leicester were really poor and should have wanted those 3 points but we did play more assertively and had a bit more class in 2-3 players that really showed in the first half. If that’s their standard then we have a chance but we have to win games.
We are in a mini-league with Wolves,Saints,Ipswich,Leicester and Palace and maybe Bournemouth and Brentford and that’s why the 3 points dropped against the Cherries was so annoying.
 

One thing in our favour is that I can see a group of clubs beyond the usual 2/3 who look terrible at the moment. They'll provide more of a cushion for Everton if we get a run of wins and draws together.

The ay we've played for 2/3rds of the 90 minutes we play is encouraging. We need to see games out and add security to the defence. These are very fixable things.

He’s the worst manager in the premier league who has somehow by fluke managed to gain more points than Brendan Rodger’s Leicester, Bielsa/Marsch’s Leeds, Silva’s Fulham, Frank’s Brentford, ONeill’s Wolves, Kompany’s Burnley, Nuno’s Forest, and the same number of points as Iraoloa’s Bournemouth and De Zerbi’s Brighton last season.

But yeah worst manager in the prem
 
Dyche is a realist. Some on here just can’t handle the truth.

Apparently squad quality, injuries, board disruption, PS&R, selling you better players, ownership uncertainty, points deductions are not challenges that affect performance on the pitch when your name is Sean Dyche.
He is a realist - and he’s fighting against a loaded deck. But this season, so far, he has been master of his own misfortune. Blowing four leads through appalling game management and dysfunctional substitutions is mainly on him - not the overall circumstances.

One can understand his predicament and even argue he should remain in situ, but nobody can credibly absolve him of his part in this fiasco of a season to date.
 
I love the assumption that nobody even half decent wants to come and manage us. I’d rather have Moyes or Potter right now, and yeah they aren’t who I want long term but it’s better than this. I don’t think Dyche has a clue, his substitutions show it and he does not know how to close out a game. He harps on about how good a job he’s done trying to convince every fan that it’s an almost impossible task. Absolute bs, this squads better than he getting out of it. I use to support the fella, not anymore, he’s a dinosaur and he’s going to take us with them into extinction.

Potter? People seem to forget his bottom half times at Brighton when they struggled to score. We have scoring issues under Dyche, can’t wait to see what they’d be like under Potter.

The only logic behind a manager change now before the end of the season is if the new owner backs it and can get the target he wants. If not we’re just scrambling for an interim. No one is saying we couldn’t get a decent one but your options are inevitably smaller mid season.
 
He is a realist - and he’s fighting against a loaded deck. But this season, so far, he has been master of his own misfortune. Blowing four leads through appalling game management and dysfunctional substitutions is mainly on him - not the overall circumstances.

One can understand his predicament and even argue he should remain in situ, but nobody can credibly absolve him of his part in this fiasco of a season to date.

No one is absolving him of his part. Literally no one is on here saying he’s made the right selections in picking Keane or his inf and subs have been great. No one is saying that.
 

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