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2022/23 Sean Dyche

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The blame on Everton is 100% the board.

It wouldn't be Lampard who relegated us, given we sacked him long before we went down.

Just like it won't be Brendan Rodgers who would relegate Leicester.

Not liking Dyche is one thing but those talking up how he relegated Burnley whilst not acknowledging the reality there are either misguided, or just have a blind hatred of the man because he's not hipster enough for them.

I was just checking. Will bookmark in case it happens. ;)
 
The blame on Everton is 100% the board.

It wouldn't be Lampard who relegated us, given we sacked him long before we went down.

Just like it won't be Brendan Rodgers who would relegate Leicester.

Not liking Dyche is one thing but those talking up how he relegated Burnley whilst not acknowledging the reality there are either misguided, or just have a blind hatred of the man because he's not hipster enough for them.
I don’t think we could’ve got anyone who’d do a better job.
 
The same people saying sack Dyche will probably be the ones back in November who wanted to keep Lampard in the job after the Bournemouth thrashing.

Go back and check.

It's the hipsters. The Vítor Pereira type crowd. They want a manager who looks the part.

Some people think I'm a big fan of Dyche - I'm really not. I just try and correct those so keen to rewrite history.

Keeping us up would be an outstanding effort all considered. I'd wrote us off - even the most optimistic had wrote us off, and as of now with this team, I'd have us as favourites for relegation next season too.

We're crap. Really, really crap.

Having a manager used to working with crap and limited resources would make sense to me until we steady the ship.
 
I was just checking. Will bookmark in case it happens. ;)

Bookmark what? :Blink:

I'll do you a favour - below are the reasons I shared in January before we sacked Lampard as to why I felt we were down this season.

Lampard is a contributory factor - we'd be down already if we didn't sack him but as I said - any manager has this team in a relegation scrap because we're crap.

I also said we needed to sack him before the world cup break and bring in some attackers - if we did that our blood pressure wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad.

19 games in, and despite how grim we've been - there's only 2 points between 20th and 14th.

Talk of certain/inevitable relegation at this stage feels premature, but I thought I'd share a nice thread to cheer everyone on why I think we'll be relegated this season.
  • Everton survive 2021/22 by the skin of our teeth.
  • Everton end last season 19/20 for big chances created, 20/20 for chances created. [May] [June] [July] [August]
  • Everton have a Director of Football and a Manager who have no credentials of navigating transfer markets. [June]
  • Everton sell their 'talisman' in Richarlison - a player responsible for scoring/providing over a third of our goals [September].
  • Everton perhaps aren't 'replacing' Richarlison, but Everton desperately needed to mitigate that loss. Everton try it through signing Dwight '1 assist 0 goal in previous season' McNeil, and Neal Maupay - the least 'number 9' in this Everton team you'll ever find. [September] [September]
  • Everton start 2022/23 with a team less effective than they did 2021/22. [September]
  • Everton play the first 6 (I think 6 could be wrong?) games without a recognised striker. Everton stay up by the skin of their teeth, months later they start a season vs Chelsea with Anthony Gordon upfront ducking out of aerial challenges with Koulibaly an Silva.
  • Any manager has this Everton team in a relegation scrap. It's relegation fodder [July]. Frank Lampard has no credentials at all to suggest he's at least reducing the odds of relegation. Other managers have staved off relegation with teams worse than ours.
  • Everton unnecessarily delay the sacking of Frank Lampard. I mean, c'mon, this was weeks ago;
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  • Everton's board in self preservation mode/horrendous communication strategy/board creating civil war with their own fans.
I provided links as hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it's so bloody obvious and all those reasons are why I think we're going down.

As it is right now - I don't think there's 3 worse teams than us. I don't think there's 1 - Bournemouth battered us, and Southampton just beat us and making positive moves.

It's not a blip, this is the points per game for calendar year 2022.

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Nothing has changed.

Sure, the margins are tight at the bottom, and it wouldn't take much to change things but we haven't. We're comfortably bottom three, and other teams are fighting, we're meekly hoping with a board in self preservation mode.

I think Everton appointing Sean Dyche after Bournemouth spank us 7-1 over 2 games, or even after Wolves on boxing day, along with a few signings early January - Chris Wood/Danny Ings... even Arnautović type, most likely keep this side up. That's the margins. The base of the team is decent enough to keep us up, we just needed nous, pragmatism, a sprinkle of belief (all coming in the form of a new manager) and crucially, some attacking ability. Everton neglected the chance.



Everton's situation is 100% on Everton's owner and board. No doubt whatsoever.
 

It's the hipsters. The Vítor Pereira type crowd. They want a manager who looks the part.

Some people think I'm a big fan of Dyche - I'm really not. I just try and correct those so keen to rewrite history.

Keeping us up would be an outstanding effort all considered. I'd wrote us off - even the most optimistic had wrote us off, and as of now with this team, I'd have us as favourites for relegation next season too.

We're crap. Really, really crap.

Having a manager used to working with crap and limited resources would make sense to me until we steady the ship.

I'm no fan of Dyche but he will steady the ship and if he does keep us up he deserves another season and finishing 14th would be a massive improvement.

The same people defending Lampard back in November also said we shouldn't sack him as we would be just like Watford. Not even six months and they want this manager sacked.

We will have another season of cost saving to manage so stick with him I say. Once we have a window to spend money is the time to replace him.
 
Bookmark what? :Blink:

I'll do you a favour - below are the reasons I shared in January before we sacked Lampard as to why I felt we were down this season.

Lampard is a contributory factor - we'd be down already if we didn't sack him but as I said - any manager has this team in a relegation scrap because we're crap.

I also said we needed to sack him before the world cup break and bring in some attackers - if we did that our blood pressure wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad.





Everton's situation is 100% on Everton's owner and board. No doubt whatsoever.
I remember discussing this all the way back in September. You were concerned that we would be in the low 30s for goals scored, and that it would get us relegated. I suggested that the only way we score enough to hit 40 was on some of the team goals we started picking up on set pieces under Lampard.

Well, we got those team goals, but our attackers really were that bad. The defense improved, as expected after the window, but there was just too far to go for us to get away with taking a big step back in the opposing end. If there's a silver lining, it's that Dyche has experienced success with teams that have garbage attacks, but that can play some defense.
 
I'm no fan of Dyche but he will steady the ship and if he does keep us up he deserves another season and finishing 14th would be a massive improvement.

The same people defending Lampard back in November also said we shouldn't sack him as we would be just like Watford. Not even six months and they want this manager sacked.

We will have another season of cost saving to manage so stick with him I say. Once we have a window to spend money is the time to replace him.
The problem is if that becomes our new normal. Obviously, 14th next season would represent progress but if it becomes a sequence of 17th, 14th, 16th, 13th or whatever then maybe our new American overlords will be quite happy banking the TV money and keep Dyche or a Dychealike in perpetuity. The Mike Ashley model.
 

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Technically he got them 4 wins all season. One (his last) was against us, when we knew we were losing for fun, so it was an absolute freebie.

He absolutely got them relegated with that - the next bloke came in and got 3 wins on the bounce or something.

He achieved a lot but your incessant defence of anything he does or has done is just weird lol

Limited manager with so, so many flaws, but a great motivator. Fantastic for when we're in the same place due to his own doing this time next year.
Looks very similar to his time here. A few wins with more draws.
 
The problem is if that becomes our new normal. Obviously, 14th next season would represent progress but if it becomes a sequence of 17th, 14th, 16th, 13th or whatever then maybe our new American overlords will be quite happy banking the TV money and keep Dyche or a Dychealike in perpetuity. The Mike Ashley model.

They won't be putting the amount of money in that Moshiri has spent on us.

They know the Premier League is a growing market so to get us to a mid table team and improve the finances ( cutting the wage bill ) and improve the commercial side with the new stadium as well they could make a tidy profit in a few years selling us on.
 
I remember discussing this all the way back in September. You were concerned that we would be in the low 30s for goals scored, and that it would get us relegated. I suggested that the only way we score enough to hit 40 was on some of the team goals we started picking up on set pieces under Lampard.

Well, we got those team goals, but our attackers really were that bad. The defense improved, as expected after the window, but there was just too far to go for us to get away with taking a big step back in the opposing end. If there's a silver lining, it's that Dyche has experienced success with teams that have garbage attacks, but that can play some defense.

Yeah. Figured lack of creating chances last season killed us and we then sold Richarlison who contributed a third of goals so I felt it dictated a bad season. I think sometimes we over complicate football and it can be as simple as counting the goals/assists in a team and we don't have the players with a history of hitting the numbers we need to be competitive. We can't just expect a handful of players to start doing what they haven't ever done before.

On your point about Dyche, I think initially he played as he'd prefer. I mean this was impressive;



... I think he then twigged we couldn't score goals. He got a bit tetchy at the lack of goals in interviews. A big reason he was in trouble at Burnley was he got too many draws (as well as them selling Chris wood on him).

I think he's pushed the whole team further up the pitch to compensate for how bad our attack is. It's worked on balance - I'd have liked to have seen him with an actual number 9 of Calvert-Lewin type for a sustained period. He'd barely had him and when he has weve done pretty well - thinking Arsenal, and Brighton in particular.
 
They won't be putting the amount of money in that Moshiri has spent on us.

They know the Premier League is a growing market so to get us to a mid table team and improve the finances ( cutting the wage bill ) and improve the commercial side with the new stadium as well they could make a tidy profit in a few years selling us on.

Good, we won’t end up in the financial black hole that Moshiri has put us in then. Looking forward to being a sensibly run club to be honest.
 

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