2024/25 Sean Dyche

[matty1878]

He is a professional and one of the leaders in the team. If he isn’t happy he isn’t going to come out publicly slating the manager and criticising what’s happening.

reckon they’res more to thinking the same?

 

[Deulofeumygod]

Don’t worry, we didn’t lose.

Sad thing is, I keep reading and hearing the same from a lot of fans.

This is what Dyche and the board have reduced us to.

 

[Daytripper]

He is a professional and one of the leaders in the team. If he isn’t happy he isn’t going to come out publicly slating the manager and criticising what’s happening.

I know that mate

 

[Lanolin]

Don’t worry, we didn’t lose.

Sad thing is, I keep reading and hearing the same from a lot of fans.

This is what Dyche and the board have reduced us to.

You can’t possibly think that this is something that stems from dyche surely. We haven’t won anything for 30 years, we haven’t finished above 8th for about 10 years, I don’t think there’s ever been a period in the time I’ve supported Everton where a point away from home wasn’t an acceptable result.

 

[matty1878]

You can’t possibly think that this is something that stems from dyche surely. We haven’t won anything for 30 years, we haven’t finished above 8th for about 10 years, I don’t think there’s ever been a period in the time I’ve supported Everton where a point away from home wasn’t an acceptable result.

your right in the way we’re now miles behind etc and a point in the PL away is a point

but it’s the bigger picture we’re all talking about

 

[blueblue]

+ Norwich, Saints, Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton. Who once left the Prem stayed gone for a while and and very nearly bankrupt too.

The difference is Everton are in supporter terms still a big club. Not on the global metric of say RS or Man UTD - but in terms of weekly crowd roughly on par with Spurs, City, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham and even Arsenal , Chelsea, once we're in BMD. That's a lot of cash annually.

And THAT's the double edged sword of BK and Mosh's failure - those clubs are now pretty much the top 10 ish where we were fairly regularly under Moyes. BK & Mosh spent roughly around 60% of the big boys before the impact of failure set in. They took on the required job to rebuild, got hit with COvid and the ensuing costs of construction and recruitment became SO short term meant we were leap-frogged by Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton with younger, CEO's with a clear and sustainable set of mgt principles.

Dyche has led the team through all of that successfully. But the lack of cutting edge from wings and full backs into DCL and Beto is very and painfully obvious

I think that is a good summary, a balanced viewpoint.

I do think though that Dyche is more cautious than he needs to be at times.
It is the same if we play Southampton or Man City.
Sometimes it is prudent to play a conservative, defensive game but there are times when you can let the shackles off a bit.
Giving a team like Southampton almost the fee run of the pitch is not acceptable.

 

[Lanolin]

your right in the way we’re now miles behind etc and a point in the PL away is a point

but it’s the bigger picture we’re all talking about

The post I was replying to is not about the bigger picture at all though. Like I said, a point away from home has been an alright result for us for at least 30 years, making out like it’s a lowering of standards by the current manager is just hyperbolic nonsense.

 

[banno]

The post I was replying to is not shot the bigger picture at all though. Like I said, a point away from home has been an alright result for us for at least 30 years, making out like it’s a lowering of standards by the current manager is just hyperbolic nonsense.

I would agree apart from the fact we cannot win at home too often so the away games are becoming just as important to grab wins against other struggling teams

 

[ChesterBlue]

I can’t wait for him to go - genuinely the worst football I can remember being played at the club (apart from maybe the Benitez collapse)

 

[SuperKev91]

Nope. Read the post. you said the squad is really really bad and the manager probably is doing well as he could. That indicates the fault lies mainly with the players no?

Mate you really didn’t read it:
“The squad is really, really bad. The manager is also probably not doing as well as he could do. Those two things can be happening at the same time….”

There’s a word between probably and doing bud.

Dyche hasn’t been doing great, but anything higher than about 14th/15th with this group is a huge overachievement for anybody.

 

[SuperKev91]

Honestly feel like people have their heads in the sand about just how bad this squad of players in and how devoid of assets we truly are.

We’ve barely spent anything net spending wise for what, 4/5 years? We’ve got a team of a few aging players, a few talented youngsters and a host of bang bang average players. It stinks of 15tb downwards regardless of who we had in charge.

Not defending Dyche for a second because this is woeful stuff as well.

 

[davids]

Sad to see his mentor died this Summer, didn't get much media exposure.

Charles Hughes, FA football coach who made his name as a champion of the ‘long-ball’ game

‘The strategy of direct play is far preferable to possession football,’ he wrote. ‘The facts are irrefutable, the evidence overwhelming’

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[davids]

+ Norwich, Saints, Blackburn, Wigan, Bolton. Who once left the Prem stayed gone for a while and and very nearly bankrupt too.

The difference is Everton are in supporter terms still a big club. Not on the global metric of say RS or Man UTD - but in terms of weekly crowd roughly on par with Spurs, City, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham and even Arsenal , Chelsea, once we're in BMD. That's a lot of cash annually.

And THAT's the double edged sword of BK and Mosh's failure - those clubs are now pretty much the top 10 ish where we were fairly regularly under Moyes. BK & Mosh spent roughly around 60% of the big boys before the impact of failure set in. They took on the required job to rebuild, got hit with COvid and the ensuing costs of construction and recruitment became SO short term meant we were leap-frogged by Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton with younger, CEO's with a clear and sustainable set of mgt principles.

Dyche has led the team through all of that successfully. But the lack of cutting edge from wings and full backs into DCL and Beto is very and painfully obvious

We did have a renowned European DoF but that didn't pan out. We had a top manager in Ancelotti with a few top class players but even under him produced some dire football. It's hard to put your finger on why we've ended up annual relegation dodgers.

 

[SuperKev91]

We did have a renowned European DoF but that didn't pan out. We had a top manager in Ancelotti with a few top class players but even under him produced some dire football. It's hard to put your finger on why we've ended up annual relegation dodgers.

It’s not hard it’s just been utterly utterly abysmal recruitment.

Now left us scraping around bargain basements for whatever we can get/agree terms on.

 

[pfim]

We did have a renowned European DoF but that didn't pan out. We had a top manager in Ancelotti with a few top class players but even under him produced some dire football. It's hard to put your finger on why we've ended up annual relegation dodgers.

We spent a ton of money on mediocre to bad players. It's not rocket surgery.