2024/25 Sean Dyche

[GrandOldTeam]

Well it's not irrelevent is it, since our manager constantly brings up just how hard he has had it because of those reasons.

What's the reason then mate?

And how is our inability to spend, directly linked to Sean Dyche?

 

[MikeH72]

Lads. Hear me out. I think we should sack him and bring in a manager who can work on a budget with poor players.

 

[Nymzee]

What's the reason then mate?

And how is our inability to spend, directly linked to Sean Dyche?

I would say the fact he gets paid £5m per season to make the most out of the squad, whether it's as expensively assembled as some others, is very much linked.

 

[Toffeepot]

That assumption is part of the problem.

People refuse to acknowledge the full picture if it in anyway can be interpreted as mitigation for Dyche.

Like I've said on here before Dyche, and will do if he leaves tomorrow. This Everton team are bang in trouble until it spends. Another manager might take us a few places higher, or a few places lower. But we're still down bottom half of the table when we have Mykolenko and Young at full back, with a front 3 of players who can't score goals.

That assumption is based on you talking about our net spend in the Dyche thread.
I can see the big picture and still want Dyche out. Yes we've had financial problems but we've seen the maximum of what he can give and he sounds ever more out of his depth and deflecting. The job is beyond him now and to connect the spending with the manager I do believe we would be just as terrible if he spent 100 mil in January. He has one style and he only got the job because we were in trouble and not spending. He is not the answer if we can start spending again

 

[Lanolin]

I do think the worst argument I ever see for keeping Dyche is 'these players can't play well no matter who is in charge' It seriously might be one of the worst arguments I have ever seen in my life.

Obviously if you put it as bluntly as that it sounds daft but I think the underlying point is totally valid myself. This isn't a good squad of players. I'm more than happy for us to get rid of Dyche but I'd be amazed if it turns out that it's just him that's been holding us back and actually we're a really good side once someone else is in charge.

 

[Toffeepot]

I would say the fact he gets paid £5m per season to make the most out of the squad, whether it's as expensively assembled as some others, is very much linked.

Scandalous salary for his level

 

[Clarky cat]

From the post match presser - regarding inability to score.
‘Well, it's been a longstanding thing here. So, you know, how we find that… most managers do that by checkbook. We can't do that. So therefore, the development continues.’

Why don’t these journo’s ask why the £61m spent on Beto, Chermiti and Ndiaye hasn’t helped.

Coming from Dyche who has managed more games than his teams have scored goals, that’s delicious.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I would say the fact he gets paid £5m per season to make the most out of the squad, whether it's as expensively assembled as some others, is very much linked.

He did in keeping us up, and last season achieving enough points to finish 12th.

But I don't understand your point.

To recap, I shared this;

... by comparison, Everton are the only club in the Prem to record a positive net spend the last 5 years.

The last 4 of them years, we've recorded a profit.

Everton are also the only team in the Prem to record 3 successive summer windows making a profit.

A team, widely condemned as circling the drain.

We'll continue to do so until there's investment.

We can rant and rave at the manager, but it's ridiculous to ignore that fact.

15+ teams are in the £100m+ net spend territory - West Ham sit 6th for spend at nearly £300m. Forest 8th just short of £250m.

Our next opposition have spent nearly £600m on transfer fees alone, while Everton have made a profit.

You've then said;

There's a reason we've not spent much the last few years and it's nothing to do with our owner not having cash to hand out.

The reason can and has been debated to death - Moshiri, Usmanov, Russia's war, PSR constraints - all before Sean Dyche's time.

To which I've said;

The reason is irrelevant to the manager, the team and this thread discussion.

The outcome is.

Well it's not irrelevent is it, since our manager constantly brings up just how hard he has had it because of those reasons.

So again - if this is indeed relevant to Sean Dyche, then please give the reason, and explain how because other than the outcome of the reason for us being unable to spend, I don't see the relevance.

There's a reason we've not spent much the last few years and it's nothing to do with our owner not having cash to hand out.

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

He has to go ASAP!

 

[windymiller]

I am staggered that there isn't anger in the stadium towards the manager. How have fans had the likes of Silva and Martinez successfully removed but are not voicing their discontent in the masses against Dyche? He holds them in contempt far more than any other manager we've had - including Benitez imo - yet everything appears to be hunky dory at Goodison.

1 goal and 3 points in four games against Fulham, Southampton, West Ham and Brentford is diabolical, and those 3 points have been lucky. Brentford should have won at the weekend with that Wissa chance that was saved, whereas we didn't pull a single decent save out of Flekken.

He's not exactly steading the ship until the Friedkins come in, is he? Most other managers would have this squad producing much better results. There is evidently zero attacking work that goes in on the training ground, proven by the complete lack of movement in the opposition half of the field. Unless Ndiaye gets the ball, we all know nothing is coming from any attack, and as good as Ndiaye is he can't do it on his own. McNeil has reverted back to type (abysmal), and seeing the likes of Doucoure is simply depressing.

Did Dyche sign off on O'Brien being signed? What is the process for identifying and recruiting players? Did the club only put down a couple of million and there actually wasn't 15 million that could have been spent on a full back and a winger? Was hasn't the media put these questions to him? This is one of the absolute worst signings (not Jake's fault at all) in recent history when you look at the disgraceful state the first team has been left in.

Everton, 20th by Christmas and about 5 points from safety come January 1st 2025.

It also illustrates how absurd all the shouts of "insert manager name here" would be eaten alive at Goodison as if we are the Ali Sami Yen or something. Most match going Evertonians are numb to the faecal matter they are being served on the regular. The football has been dreadful under at least the past three managers and you could argue that, although more effective, Ancelotti's football was turgid at times too. Couple that with all the off-field depressive drama and you can see why the fight has drained out of the fanbase.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

That assumption is based on you talking about our net spend in the Dyche thread.
I can see the big picture and still want Dyche out. Yes we've had financial problems but we've seen the maximum of what he can give and he sounds ever more out of his depth and deflecting. The job is beyond him now and to connect the spending with the manager I do believe we would be just as terrible if he spent 100 mil in January. He has one style and he only got the job because we were in trouble and not spending. He is not the answer if we can start spending again

I'm responding to others debating Dyche's comment about other teams resolving a lack of goalscoring by spending.

He's right, as per the example before, selling Solanke or not - Bournemouth have spent £250m net the past 3 years and a lot of that is on players in the final third.

You can discuss the reality of Everton's situation, in isolation of the manager.

 

[Clarky cat]

“Sean Dyche makes poor players better”
“How is Sean Dyche supposed to try and actually win games with these poor players?”

Discuss the above.

 

[Toffeepot]

But we're still down bottom half of the table when we have Mykolenko and Young at full back

you must realise that Mykolenko is the perfect Dyche FB right? Decent defender poor in the final third. And Dyche picks Young over an attack minded FB in Patterson
If he spent money on FBs we would not be getting anything that improves us that much defensively and would not be attack minded FBs because he doesn't want them and they probably wouldn't sign for him

 

[Saint Domingo]

Still banging on about his salary? If the club had offered you all a vote in Jan 23 on whether we should pay the manager 5 mill a year if it meant we stayed up that season and also the next having incurred an 8 point deduction you’d have all absolutely gone for it.

Now you’ve conveniently forgotten the negotiating positions at the time the contract was agreed and the risk profile Dyche took on e.g he’ll be getting turfed out as soon as the club has new owners.

I’d have asked for a big salary as well.

 

[Victus]

I'd rather deal with psr stuff than more dycheball I can't lie.