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2024/25 Sean Dyche

DualityNSNO said:
Yeah, you're saying someone who's won things isn't good enough for Everton despite winning things, and Sean Dyche is apparently after he's won just about nothing his entire career.
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Never once made a comment regarding Dyche with you and simply pointed out that winning trophies doesn't make someone a good manager for Everton.

Moyes won nothing before or with us and yet he was still a better Everton manager than everyone who has followed and five of those seven had won something prior to joining us.
 
Here’s a scenario for you

A complete basket case club approaches you 20 games into the season already in the bottom 3. It’s just sold its best attacking player and has no funds for a replacement in that window. Every other manager it’s approached has knocked them back to date. Its only striker has been out injured for the entire season. This club has not seen a manager last longer than 18 months since 2016 and has fired 6 managers and seen another one walk since then.

The club has no money for transfers in the immediate future and will probably need to sell your best players every summer window. There’s a looming points deduction that could hit at any time. The owner wants out and could sell the club at any point. There’s no permanent CEO or BOD and the DOF is one season in. They also have a militant fan base that expects to be challenging for Europe and winning trophies whilst having the only positive net spend in the league.

By the way if you get it wrong and don’t keep them up you’ll forever be the manager who ended Everton’s top flight status, put them in the championship going into a new stadium, and actually put the mere existence of the club into doubt.

So when they come and offer you a 2 and a half year contract, do you:

Expect that you’ll be fired at some point and ask for a massive salary and a termination pay off?

Or

Ask for a salary that’s befitting of the club being in the bottom 3 and graciously accept that you could be terminated for free at any point even if you achieve all your objectives?

Some people don’t seem to understand the relative negotiating positions of Everton and Sean Dyche AT THE TIME we hired him. It’s a different ball game now, but at the time, we were on our knees begging him. He was therefore able to dictate the terms and we accepted them based on our desperation to stay up (which he then delivered)

Dont cry about the realities of that commercial negotiation after the fact. If we choose to bullet Dyche now then I guarantee you whatever the payment is it will be a drop in the ocean compared to what the cost of relegation would have been.
 

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Saint Domingo said:
Here’s a scenario for you

A complete basket case club approaches you 20 games into the season already in the bottom 3. It’s just sold its best attacking player and has no funds for a replacement in that window. Every other manager it’s approached has knocked them back to date. Its only striker has been out injured for the entire season. This club has not seen a manager last longer than 18 months since 2016 and has fired 6 managers and seen another one walk since then.

The club has no money for transfers in the immediate future and will probably need to sell your best players every summer window. There’s a looming points deduction that could hit at any time. The owner wants out and could sell the club at any point. There’s no permanent CEO or BOD and the DOF is one season in. They also have a militant fan base that expects to be challenging for Europe and winning trophies whilst having the only positive net spend in the league.

By the way if you get it wrong and don’t keep them up you’ll forever be the manager who ended Everton’s top flight status, put them in the championship going into a new stadium, and actually put the mere existence of the club into doubt.

So when they come and offer you a 2 and a half year contract, do you:

Expect that you’ll be fired at some point and ask for a massive salary and a termination pay off?

Or

Ask for a salary that’s befitting of the club being in the bottom 3 and graciously accept that you could be terminated for free at any point even if you achieve all your objectives?

Some people don’t seem to understand the relative negotiating positions of Everton and Sean Dyche AT THE TIME we hired him. It’s a different ball game now, but at the time, we were on our knees begging him. He was therefore able to dictate the terms and we accepted them based on our desperation to stay up (which he then delivered)

Dont cry about the realities of that commercial negotiation after the fact. If we choose to bullet Dyche now then I guarantee you whatever the payment is it will be a drop in the ocean compared to what the cost of relegation would have been.
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Don’t think I’ll be hiring you to write any job adverts. Was about half way through reading and already thinking, you’d be mad to take this job - not enough money in the world to step in to that. Dyche must have been pretty desperate too!!
 
BigDuncTributeBand said:
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Don’t think I’ll be hiring you to write any job adverts. Was about half way through reading and already thinking, you’d be mad to take this job - not enough money in the world to step in to that. Dyche must have been pretty desperate too!!
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To add to that as well any candidate coming in has Arsenal x 2 and Liverpool away in your first 5 games. The majority of bottom half home fixtures have already gone also.
 
Tel001 said:
I have no idea mate … I’m not a prem manager … but that is the question isn’t it?

Almost like playing 6th division Irish teams doesn’t really sharpen the players to the required level when we are doing pre season
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Its a bit strange to say "I have no idea" after so confidentially stating you it must be one of only two things.....that dont make sense if you cant answer the second question. Either you have an idea that makes sense and you can answer that..... or you dont have an idea.
 

hoppy said:
Everton are conducting due diligence should the club choose to part ways with Sean Dyche, according to Graeme Bailey.

The journalist reported via Everton News [9 September] that former Everton boss David Moyes and Graham Potter are the two appreciated names at Goodison Park.
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Well its positive to at least see us thinking ahead about something. Regardless of whether you plan to fire him, it would be criminal to just stick your head in the sand and not have your best plan B lined up if things look bad in a month. Better to waste some time and effort you dont need in the end then to be caught unprepared.
 
Saint Domingo said:
Here’s a scenario for you

A complete basket case club approaches you 20 games into the season already in the bottom 3. It’s just sold its best attacking player and has no funds for a replacement in that window. Every other manager it’s approached has knocked them back to date. Its only striker has been out injured for the entire season. This club has not seen a manager last longer than 18 months since 2016 and has fired 6 managers and seen another one walk since then.

The club has no money for transfers in the immediate future and will probably need to sell your best players every summer window. There’s a looming points deduction that could hit at any time. The owner wants out and could sell the club at any point. There’s no permanent CEO or BOD and the DOF is one season in. They also have a militant fan base that expects to be challenging for Europe and winning trophies whilst having the only positive net spend in the league.

By the way if you get it wrong and don’t keep them up you’ll forever be the manager who ended Everton’s top flight status, put them in the championship going into a new stadium, and actually put the mere existence of the club into doubt.

So when they come and offer you a 2 and a half year contract, do you:

Expect that you’ll be fired at some point and ask for a massive salary and a termination pay off?

Or

Ask for a salary that’s befitting of the club being in the bottom 3 and graciously accept that you could be terminated for free at any point even if you achieve all your objectives?

Some people don’t seem to understand the relative negotiating positions of Everton and Sean Dyche AT THE TIME we hired him. It’s a different ball game now, but at the time, we were on our knees begging him. He was therefore able to dictate the terms and we accepted them based on our desperation to stay up (which he then delivered)

Dont cry about the realities of that commercial negotiation after the fact. If we choose to bullet Dyche now then I guarantee you whatever the payment is it will be a drop in the ocean compared to what the cost of relegation would have been.
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Here’s another scenario.

You are an outdated football manager, you relegated your last club and your brand of football is such that no Premier league club will touch you with a barge pole. Almost every club in the top 2 divisions have moved on to a progressive style that you are clueless about.

Out of the blue, one of the giants of English football offer you an extremely lucrative Premier league job.

Do you
A) Bite their hand off
B) Screw them for every penny knowing they have no idea what they are doing.
 
Neiler said:
Here's the press conference mate. Dont think he dug the fans out.



If he doesn't reflect on his part its a worry, but that eventually gets found out, the whole episode was an absolute meltdown and there needs to be collective responsibility.

Im sure he will reflect, its a bad professional in any field who doesn't look at what happens good or bad and ask could it have been done better and what have i learned and how might i do things differently. At this level that has to be automatic, i suppose the adaptation we have seen game to game in his time here im sure that happens.
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There’s no indication he’s reflecting on his part in that interview. He says he’s responsible for the result, but all of the detail is the fault of the players - they weren’t doing what he told them, they weren’t doing ‘team things’, they were ‘fatiguing’. And he mentions he’s been here 20 months but he’s still got the problems he started with regarding players executing their roles.

I want to see him succeed this season, because with all the chaos (and lack of budget) at the club, swapping managers would create more risk, not less, but I think you’ve got a lot more faith in him than I have.

I now think he’s got a definite limit to his ability and any consideration of his own performance that he might do doesn’t happen in game, only afterwards, and even then his changes have often been forced through injury (eg Branthwaite over Keane).
 
badloaf said:
There’s no indication he’s reflecting on his part in that interview. He says he’s responsible for the result, but all of the detail is the fault of the players - they weren’t doing what he told them, they weren’t doing ‘team things’, they were ‘fatiguing’. And he mentions he’s been here 20 months but he’s still got the problems he started with regarding players executing their roles.

I want to see him succeed this season, because with all the chaos (and lack of budget) at the club, swapping managers would create more risk, not less, but I think you’ve got a lot more faith in him than I have.

I now think he’s got a definite limit to his ability and any consideration of his own performance that he might do doesn’t happen in game, only afterwards, and even then his changes have often been forced through injury (eg Branthwaite over Keane).
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He consistently starts with ‘we’ but then proceeds to blame the players.
 

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