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Shocking Refs

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It's pure craziness! I don't ever remember the refs being this bad before?!
Every week there is controversy now...
Makes you wonder what they're spiking the drinking water with over at the Referees Association...
 
Sideliner said:
please try and find the WestBrom's coach interview after the match - i have not heard such straight talking from a coach ever - i admire him for that and wish DM and other coaches would do the same - the 2nd penalty was also controversial and there was a clear Arsenal handball in the box that was not given - without being a supporter of either teams it upset me badly to see that happening at this level
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20655269
 
Sideliner said:
please try and find the WestBrom's coach interview after the match - i have not heard such straight talking from a coach ever - i admire him for that and wish DM and other coaches would do the same - the 2nd penalty was also controversial and there was a clear Arsenal handball in the box that was not given - without being a supporter of either teams it upset me badly to see that happening at this level
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I think, to be fair, that you need to take your blue/red/yellow/green/claret and blue (they are inseparable)/cyan/mauve/teal specs off mate. You are clearly too close to this. Aim for objectivity, it's the way to go.

Failing that it was probably the Everton players' fault. Refs don't make mistakes. It all about interpretation. This time the ref's interpretation was in favour of the Sky4 team. Next time it might be in favour of the Sky4 team!
 
deathbyropeandglass said:
In other words you can't show me the laws of the game that were clearly and without doubt broken in those cases.

I haven't made my mind up on anything, i'm doing the opposite and keeping an open mind and trying to explain why decisions may have been made by the ref the way they were rather than saying "it was a foul and the ref is **** for not giving it".
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In other words what? I don't have a copy of the rules handy, but feel free to post the appropriate rule here yourself. The one that supports Probert's view that Benteke's use of both arms to climb over the Reading defender was of insufficient force to constitute a foul. I won't blame the referee in the matter of Coate's foul on Jagielka because I don't think he actually saw it.
I'm coming around to the thought that you haven't seen either of them.

With regard to your presumably rhetorical question about the decision to give the first penalty in the Arsenal - WBA match.
Look at it again and ask yourself. Why did Carzorla jump off the ground when the most instinctive action had he been kicked would have been to keep his right foot on the ground? The fact is that there was little, if any contact and Carzorla dived. Another shocking decision, don't you think?
 

Jeff Jones said:
In other words what? I don't have a copy of the rules handy, but feel free to post the appropriate rule here yourself. The one that supports Probert's view that Benteke's use of both arms to climb over the Reading defender was of insufficient force to constitute a foul. I won't blame the referee in the matter of Coate's foul on Jagielka because I don't think he actually saw it.
I'm coming around to the thought that you haven't seen either of them.

With regard to your presumably rhetorical question about the decision to give the first penalty in the Arsenal - WBA match.
Look at it again and ask yourself. Why did Carzorla jump off the ground when the most instinctive action had he been kicked would have been to keep his right foot on the ground? The fact is that there was little, if any contact and Carzorla dived. Another shocking decision, don't you think?
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You're the one claiming that it definitely was a foul by Benteke so surely you know what laws of the game he was actually breaking that the ref failed to enforce? And that it was a clear 100% foul, not an incident that could have been open to interpretation?

Its laughable, you're saying that was a foul, yet sideliner who seems to be coming from the same angle as you reckons Mertesacker should have conceded a penalty for handball when its likely the ref in that one didn't give it because he was being climbed on. Its not "consistency" its human beings judging each incident as they see it and a lot of incidents are purely down to opinion.

And Carzorla went down like that because he's a cheat, one who managed to con a human being. Its very difficult for refs to give accurate decisions when they only get 1 chance to see something, and very easy for armchair fans to see replays of those incidents and say that refs are shocking for missing something that happened in a split second.
 
Sideliner said:
just to show you it is not only my opinion but that some other sources corroborate what we have been saying all along - have a look yourself - Everton comes stone last as far as decisions going their way in the whole PL

http://www.debatabledecisions.com/english-premier-league-tables
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I've never denied that, saying we haven't had decisions go against us is completely not what i've been saying.

I'm just trying to explain to people complaining about them exactly why they have gone against us and that the vast majority of them were simply human beings who have a very difficult job to do and its almost impossible for them to get anywhere near every decision right. And its just bad luck a lot have gone against us.

But i think i'm gonna do an Ijjy and stay out of this thread cause people clearly don't understand that so will carry on thinking refs are ****.
 
what we have shown by citing that site above is that research done by supporters of other clubs clearly show Everton as rock bottom of the pile as far as rotten decisions home and away are concerned - at least that should be accepted -
as far as the cause of those decisions being bad luck or bad refereeing or whatever else, the jury is still out -
but something like bad luck happens randomly and should even out over the season - something for which i cant wait to happen - but unlike Christmas it will never come - let us just hope today the bad decisions go Tottenhams way for a change because we cant go lower than we already are
 

deathbyropeandglass said:
I've never denied that, saying we haven't had decisions go against us is completely not what i've been saying.

I'm just trying to explain to people complaining about them exactly why they have gone against us and that the vast majority of them were simply human beings who have a very difficult job to do and its almost impossible for them to get anywhere near every decision right. And its just bad luck a lot have gone against us.

But i think i'm gonna do an Ijjy and stay out of this thread cause people clearly don't understand that so will carry on thinking refs are ****.
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I know that it isn't always easy for referees to get it right. My complaint is about the easy decisions they get wrong and I don't agree that the vast majority are difficult. There's no excuse for getting easy decisions wrong. Have I already said that?
That's my last response to any further posts from you, dbrg, but feel free to have the last word.
I reserve the right to respond to other posters here if I feel it necessary.
 
deathbyropeandglass said:
I've never denied that, saying we haven't had decisions go against us is completely not what i've been saying.

I'm just trying to explain to people complaining about them exactly why they have gone against us and that the vast majority of them were simply human beings who have a very difficult job to do and its almost impossible for them to get anywhere near every decision right. And its just bad luck a lot have gone against us.

But i think i'm gonna do an Ijjy and stay out of this thread cause people clearly don't understand that so will carry on thinking refs are ****.
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Suggesting that they didn't make the right calls on major decisions a dozen times in a dozen games because they have a hard job simply isn't an acceptable excuse though.
A pen given to City with fouls going on everywhere against us but not given to us against Arsenal and Spurs for the same offense is more than bad luck, it leaves the players wondering what the hell the rules are.
Making the call to give an offside needs a concientious decision to say to yourself - yes I can see he is not onside there and then flag. Its not a complex one, its not ricoched 3 times before reaching Fellaini against Newcastle for example, leaving the linesman having to decipher whether he is part of active play or anything.. There's a player in front of him that the linesman somehow doesn't see. Its his job to see him!
How can no official see Suarez stamp on Distin as a red card?
And so one and so on.. a handball in the box missed by both the ref and the linesman...
Several decisions have been bad luck but several have been much more than that, its been incompetence and the players and manager are getting the blame for it instead of those who should.
Yes the angle may not be great for the ref, but he should be in a better position for it shouldn't he? Its not like these incidents are off the ball.. If he's not close enough to the action to see the action then he's not doing his job that way.
 

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