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[monty]

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[GrandOldTeam]

How the developers prefer it, it can be a security risk having it as a seperate file and it just keeps thing easier. Actually not worth saving the tiny amount of bandwidth

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Well let me say that what a load of rubbish. Having your CSS in a separate file is how it should be done, trust me I'm a professional, it is in no way a security risk. Whoever told you that is talking out of their arse.

Plus if you think how many people log on to the site and how often they do that during the day, then times that by the pages they view and it will add up.

Also having it seperate means that if you need to change a style, it takes 2 mins rather than having to go through every page.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It an earlier edition believe me it was a security risk. There was an update because of it.

As for your comment on the ease to change styles... you clearly haven't used vBulletin If you did, you'd know it already takes under two minutes... it's all done in admincp. Theres a CSS section, it's even quicker to edit than when having it as a seperate file.

I see what your saying about the bandwidth, you dont have to be a "professional" to know that and you also dont have to be a professional to know it's not worth the hassle to me for a website like this.

 

[Rob]

I think ghost is talking about writing your own as opposed to using vbulletin made software.

I imagine the two things are seperate beasts.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Exactly Rob, the two are completely different. If Ghost knew vBulletin then he wouldn't be asking me to do something which isn't needed *edited*

Normally it would make a valid point, and what he is saying can be done very easily in the admincp...

Theres no ends to vBulletins limits

*I put it as a file Ghost, makes no odds really though in this case

 

[GhostOfDixie]

There is no need to undermine me, I don't look a View Source and pass comment, I do this for a living, and was only offering my expert opinion and advice.

Safari is a major browser used by most people who have an Apple, which is more than you think, especially in the States. If it doesn't work in Safari, it means the board is broken.

If it only works well in IE then its broken because IE is a broken browser, although IE7 is better, its nowhere the standard of Safari and Firefox.

I never looked at the source because I know that these kind of bulletin boards are not the best, and judging by your comments, not the easiest to develop.

Vanilla is a great forum software, and is guaranteed to work in all browsers, plus it looks better and less like something that a developer would create. In other words it looks like a designer built it.

I also wasn't talking about writing your own, I was just merely stating a fact that CSS in its own file is a security risk. Show me evidence, because believe me I would be interested to see how?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

There is no need to undermine me, I don't look a View Source and pass comment, I do this for a living, and was only offering my expert opinion and advice.

And thats appreciated

Safari is a major browser used by most people who have an Apple, which is more than you think, especially in the States. If it doesn't work in Safari, it means the board is broken.

2% of GrandOldTeam.com browsers used Safari last month. Not alot but even so, I was concerned when you raised the problem and asked for a screenshot. I can't fix something I cannot see. I test the site in IE and FireFox because these two are by far the biggest users.

If it only works well in IE then its broken because IE is a broken browser, although IE7 is better, its nowhere the standard of Safari and Firefox.

Works better in Firefox than IE actually, see top right of homepage for example

I never looked at the source because I know that these kind of bulletin boards are not the best, and judging by your comments, not the easiest to develop.

Vanilla is a great forum software, and is guaranteed to work in all browsers, plus it looks better and less like something that a developer would create. In other words it looks like a designer built it.

All down to opinions. Last time I checked Vanilla was in beta, you wont see any big corporations using it and if you do, they're very foolish. Vanilla is too new to use in my opinion, simply no developers for it. I couldn't have the likes of vBookie etc etc with Vanilla.

I also wasn't talking about writing your own, I was just merely stating a fact that CSS in its own file is a security risk. Show me evidence, because believe me I would be interested to see how?

Will try and dig it out. Was years ago, just remember a patch was released parly because of either one or two problems which could have been a security leak.

 

[Rob]

who is undermining you?

I think your claim that if a website doesn't work in safar then it is broken is plain wrong, welcome to the sad but true fact of the day, the majority of computers in this world and it IS a vast majority are running windows and most people use IE.
If a website doesn't work in IE then it is broken, if it doesn't work in any other browser then it is incovinient and nothing more.

Sad, but true.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

2% of GrandOldTeam.com browsers used Safari last month. Not alot but even so, I was concerned when you raised the problem and asked for a screenshot. I can't fix something I cannot see. I test the site in IE and FireFox because these two are by far the biggest users.

That is why I asked for the CSS in a separate file because then I can work in a live preview application which would allow me to debug. But not to worry.

All down to opinions. Last time I checked Vanilla was in beta, you wont see any big corporations using it and if you do, they're very foolish. Vanilla is too new to use in my opinion, simply no developers for it. I couldn't have the likes of vBookie etc etc with Vanilla.

Well the CMS that I use for my site, which is a moderate company uses Vanilla and has loads of users, with no issues. I concede that it is young, but it is also forward thinking for the next generation browsers, which is something that this board isn't. Table based layouts are not standard code, and hasn't been for a long time.

Will try and dig it out. Was years ago, just remember a patch was released parly because of either one or two problems which could have been a security leak.

Please do, I just can't see how having a file the way it was designed to be, a security risk. Personally I think its just lazy coding by the developers, but then most developers are.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Well the CMS that I use for my site, which is a moderate company uses Vanilla and has loads of users, with no issues. I concede that it is young, but it is also forward thinking for the next generation browsers, which is something that this board isn't. Table based layouts are not standard code, and hasn't been for a long time.

I've had this discussion with you before. Vanilla is one for the distant future, yes but currently though, vB, IPB and phpBB to a lesser extent are the clear forerunners. Its all about developers and support... which Vanilla severely lacks compared to the rest.

MULTI million pound companies use vBullein for this reason and i'd be amazed if any used Vanilla and if they do, its a big mistake on their part.

If a website doesn't work in IE & FF then it is broken, if it doesn't work in any other browser then it is incovinient and nothing more.

Sad, but true.

On. Head. The. Hit. Nail.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Rob that is utter bollocks. Internet Explorer 6 is a broken browser. The box model is broken, the png transparency doesn't work. Actually, just go to this link:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html

I have been developing websites for 7 years, I know what I am saying. IE is broken, not the websites. By having to use hacks to make sure a site works in IE means that IE is broken not the other way around. Its no suprise that FF was a hugely successful browser, and that Internet Explorer took their lead when they were developing IE7.

I can also dig out a blog entry by the IE team where they apologise for IE6.

The fact that Internet Explorer and Windows are so popular is because Windows are on every PC in the land, and they are cheap to buy. Doesn't mean they are the best. It just means that people assume that Microsoft is the best because of the way they have been marketed.

Windows was based on Mac OS, and as Mac OS has become OSX and a very good operating system and has not one known virus, Windows continues to copy them and spawns thousands of viruses.

Think outside the box my friend, its not always what it seems.

 

[chicoazul]

Tech talk is gash. It isnt broke, dont fix it.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Danny most multi million pound companies have [Poor language removed] sites on [Poor language removed] code. Reason? because years ago when it was all left to the developers, websites were thrown together, and not many companies want to change or feel they have to.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

But in terms of standard based browsers, it is broken. But I can see I am talking to the wrong people here, so I'll just get on with my career.

 

[Rob]

FF has done a hell of alot for the internet in terms of getting not only people but also web designers away from IE only support.

Didn't realise it had reached the level where all major sites HAD to support it.

For eg. EvertonTV you HAVE to use IE.