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So the vote papers are on the way..

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teppic said:
scaremongering at it's best old boy.





'Kirkby is a new town in the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley, Merseyside, England.'

so whatever your view point let's just stop saying this place is in liverpool.
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funny, my point was that it doesn't matter, is a map really that important?
is kirkby officially in liverpool, no thats a fact.
but do the people who come from there say it? I bet they do.
 
teppic said:
i agree with his conclusion.. whatever the result we must all be 100% behind it.
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That I agree with, and I think most true blues do as well. We've gotten the opportunity to be part of choosing the future of our club. What scares me most with this choise isn't actually if we move or not. It's how the ones championing the loosing side will take it if it turns out a disaster in the future.

I'm for a move, not necessarily to Kirkby, but it's the only viable option at this stage and the only reasonable and plausible option since we lost Kings Dock. I'm not saying this possible move will solve our problems or even that it's the ultimate solution.

But for me the vote is either to move forth, take a chance of a brighter future or stand still while the rest move forth and hope for a better choise in the near future that might not show up. But others will see and interpret this vote in another way. But I think all fans are agreed that we need to move, that unfortunately Goodison isn't good enough for us anymore.
 
I agree with have to accept the result of the poll, but if its a no then what is there to be 100% behind, we will back to where we started, old ground and nowhere to go.

If the answer is no, I will be gutted that we missed out but if thats the way the season ticket holders vote then so be it.
 
it means if the vote is no then don't linger on it. move on to finding a place in liverpool or redeveloping goodison.
 

teppic said:
it means if the vote is no then don't linger on it. move on to finding a place in liverpool or redeveloping goodison.
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Yeah agreed, if its 4th, then no more talk of Kirkby, lets get positive and get some more ideas together. Whichever way the vote goes, then we all need to put our differences aside, and work together, either to make the Kirkby the best damn stadium that we possibly can or to get another idea together.

If one thing has come from all this, its that it shows the fans have a real voice in the way the club is goverened, so we need to use that voice and push the club in the most positive direction.
 
teppic said:
it means if the vote is no then don't linger on it. move on to finding a place in liverpool or redeveloping goodison.
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Fine sentiments, but I actually feel that this will not be the case if the vote is Yes - there are too many bitter people venting their spleen about the club elsewhere - we had a foretaste of it with the Rooney episode and the Moyes-outistas (who have been shut up by the results for the moment).

I will be happy to deal with a No vote (not that I could do anything else) but I will be watching with great interest what the No supporters get up to in the next few years. Because I think, to a large extent, people like TW and KEIOC will wash their hands like Pilate, claim that they were just reflecting the views of the majority, and blame any lack of progress on the board.

Part of the problem with democracy is that you release forces that you cannot necessarily control and a successful No vote, amongst other things, would lead to a more raucous denunciation of Bill Kenwright and, as soon as results started to slip, David Moyes.
 
atrottel said:
a successful No vote, amongst other things, would lead to a more raucous denunciation of Bill Kenwright and, as soon as results started to slip, David Moyes.
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i agree with your post for the most part. we all need to pull together whatever the vote and not lay blame if one side wins or loses. and i hope as evertonians we can do this. but our old friend sally scaremonger makes an appearance at the end of your post!
 
It wasn't meant to be scaremongering or putting down people who are considering voting against the move, just that I think the more vocal groups of the "No" voters also have tended to come from the anti-Moyes anti-BK anti-Wyness brigades and that they would be emboldened by winning their vote into working even harder to undermine the present management of the club.

Of course it could be worse and we could all belong to different factions of the Judean People's Liberation Front (Anarcho-Syndicalist Tendency).

Splitter!
 

anti moyes? surely beef with moyes stayes on the pitch! nothing to do with a stadium move.. that's all board level.

however i would not draw a line saying anti kenwright equals no to kirkby. lot's of my mates are against the move but don't have an axe to grind with bill. ofcourse bill being chairman and wanting to move does not sit pretty with those fans who want to stay in the city!!!!
 
teppic said:
anti moyes? surely beef with moyes stayes on the pitch! nothing to do with a stadium move.. that's all board level.
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There were quite a few people around the time of Rooney saying that BK and DM had conspired to get rid of him, and again with transfers over the years that a) BK won't open the coffers and b) DM can't deal with stars anyway. And Davie (along with some players) has been quite frank about how he feels about the move.
 

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