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So what Huang takeover means?

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TheFinnFan

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are you guys happy about the fact that this man is "buying soul of the reds"
is this little bit same thing as the chelsea, city situation.
suddenly there is a man who saves your club like a angel from heaven, gives you money and builds you a new stadion. money to sign their stars and buy even more.

sounds too good to be true, so where is the catch? are those reds now just an empty shell. soul-less franchise, or stronger than ever......if this happends


this would mean one thing im for sure. now even more than ever, WE ARE THE PEOPLES CLUB

(sorry my bad english)
 

I think it's like a Hung court mate. No one can decide what to do cause the facts are so blurred.
 
No one knows how much money he has. He has to pay of the creditors + H&G. He's backed by a consoritium so that hopefully means it doesn't look like they'll Abramivize the squad either and are in it to make a profit and get out.

The guy just spent 70M for 15% of the Cleveland Cavs. Not the best investment now that LeBron is gone.

Not sure if a deal will done though. It looks like H&G want 650M plus 275M for the creditors. No way anyone is that stupid to pay for that.
 
Well he could always give us that money, Moyes would do alot better with it than almost anybody......
 

I,d rather have bill at least we are going in the right direction.
The [Poor language removed] will be moaning about huang in 6 months just like they moan about the yanks.
 
To be fair to the RS fans, they're not looking for a Chelsea or City-type sugardaddy, they're hoping that someone will come build their new stadium (which they will comfortably fill most weeks) so that the club can again become self-financing.

Nobody knows what will happen with this. The thing is that Huang is not bidding for the club, he is bidding to buy the RBS debt from the bank. This doesn't clear the debt, but rather transfers it over to him, so that he becomes the senior creditor to the club. From there practically anything could happen.

So there are two real questions;
1) Will RBS sell the debt? RBS are making absolutely sh*teloads in interest out of the RS, and they have a long history as the club's associated bank. If they submit to this, they will not only lose out on the interest coming in now, but could well lose out on ever financing the club again, as this Chinese consortium would appear to have the money to back it themselves. It's a matter of how much a liability RBS consider the RS to be, do they think potential future income outweighs the relief of getting their full £237m back this week?

2) Will Huang be better or worse than RBS? RBS have given them loads of time to get things straight, and why wouldn't they? They're making an absolute killing on the interest, confident in the knowledge that when the club is sold, they will get it all back. What will Huang do? He could do exactly the same as RBS, just sit on it and accrue interest, knowing that if the club is sold he'll get it back. He could immediately cancel the debt and build the stadium, which would likely lead to RS raking in the money from the far east. He could immediately call in the debt, and force the club into administration if and when H&G don't pay up.

Nobody knows which option he will take (those three seem the most likely, but there are others), but what is clear from this hostile takeover attempt is that he is a fairly ruthless businessman, and if he's there to make a quick profit then the RS are going to be in all kinds of trouble.

The most important point is that someone suggested somewhere that if the deal isn't done in two weeks time, Huang will walk. Can H&G delay the process by two weeks? Very likely yes, I think.

Also, there's a third question bugging me;

3) Where the hell has all of this come from? Every news agency is running the story now, but I can't see one single quote from anyone other than "sources close to..."
 
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I get a laugh out of these types of people.

What types you ask? The types that think that they can force someone to sell something they own. Kinda like the Red Knights group and Man United.

Who the F&*K do they think they are?

It would be like this.

TX Bill: "Hey James Martin, I'm gonna buy your house."

James Martin: "Sorry TX, it's not for sale."

TX Bill: "Yeah well I've got a group together and we're gonna pool our resources and buy it from you."

James Martin: "Yeah, ok, the price is 500K."

TX Bill: "Well we see you have a mortgage and the people that live with you don't like you so we'll buy it from you for 200K."

James Martin: "Uh, no thanks, I'll keep my house. And I'm not having any problems making my debt payments but thanks for asking."

TX Bill: "We'll send the contracts over in the morning and you can sign them and we'll all be just skippy."

James Martin: "It's not for sale and since you're being a prick about it, the price just went up to 650K."

I mean how absurd is that??? The Huang guy or whoever he is can offer whatever he wants but in the end, Gillet and Hicks don't have to sell. Nor do the Glazers. Nor does Abramovich. Some people have no concept of property law and ownership rights. When you OWN something, you do not have to sell just because someone makes an offer.
 
I get a laugh out of these types of people.

What types you ask? The types that think that they can force someone to sell something they own. Kinda like the Red Knights group and Man United.

Who the F&*K do they think they are?

It would be like this.

TX Bill: "Hey James Martin, I'm gonna buy your house."

James Martin: "Sorry TX, it's not for sale."

TX Bill: "Yeah well I've got a group together and we're gonna pool our resources and buy it from you."

James Martin: "Yeah, ok, the price is 500K."

TX Bill: "Well we see you have a mortgage and the people that live with you don't like you so we'll buy it from you for 200K."

James Martin: "Uh, no thanks, I'll keep my house. And I'm not having any problems making my debt payments but thanks for asking."

TX Bill: "We'll send the contracts over in the morning and you can sign them and we'll all be just skippy."

James Martin: "It's not for sale and since you're being a prick about it, the price just went up to 650K."

I mean how absurd is that??? The Huang guy or whoever he is can offer whatever he wants but in the end, Gillet and Hicks don't have to sell. Nor do the Glazers. Nor does Abramovich. Some people have no concept of property law and ownership rights. When you OWN something, you do not have to sell just because someone makes an offer.

I bet James Martin is well popular in his house.
 
To be fair to the RS fans, they're not looking for a Chelsea or City-type sugardaddy, they're hoping that someone will come build their new stadium (which they will comfortably fill most weeks) so that the club can again become self-financing.

Nobody knows what will happen with this. The thing is that Huang is not bidding for the club, he is bidding to buy the RBS debt from the bank. This doesn't clear the debt, but rather transfers it over to him, so that he becomes the senior creditor to the club. From there practically anything could happen.

So there are two real questions;
1) Will RBS sell the debt? RBS are making absolutely sh*teloads in interest out of the RS, and they have a long history as the club's associated bank. If they submit to this, they will not only lose out on the interest coming in now, but could well lose out on ever financing the club again, as this Chinese consortium would appear to have the money to back it themselves. It's a matter of how much a liability RBS consider the RS to be, do they think potential future income outweighs the relief of getting their full £237m back this week?

2) Will Huang be better or worse than RBS? RBS have given them loads of time to get things straight, and why wouldn't they? They're making an absolute killing on the interest, confident in the knowledge that when the club is sold, they will get it all back. What will Huang do? He could do exactly the same as RBS, just sit on it and accrue interest, knowing that if the club is sold he'll get it back. He could immediately cancel the debt and build the stadium, which would likely lead to RS raking in the money from the far east. He could immediately call in the debt, and force the club into administration if and when H&G don't pay up.

Nobody knows which option he will take (those three seem the most likely, but there are others), but what is clear from this hostile takeover attempt is that he is a fairly ruthless businessman, and if he's there to make a quick profit then the RS are going to be in all kinds of trouble.

The most important point is that someone suggested somewhere that if the deal isn't done in two weeks time, Huang will walk. Can H&G delay the process by two weeks? Very likely yes, I think.

Also, there's a third question bugging me;

3) Where the hell has all of this come from? Every news agency is running the story now, but I can't see one single quote from anyone other than "sources close to..."

Very good summary. This is exactly the scenario that could well unfold. Another aspect is the League who are keeping a close eye on this to ensure the ownership requirements and credentials are met.
 
The plot thickens; (important bits in bold)

http://www.sportingintelligence.com...ney-or-route’-to-buy-the-club-himself-020806/

Liverpool’s suitor Kenny Huang ‘doesn’t have the money’ to buy the club himself

By Nick Harris

2 August 2010

A reported approach by a Chinese businessman, Jian-hua ‘Kenny’ Huang, to buy Liverpool is shrouded in confusion as sources in China and America have told sportingintelligence that he does not have the money to buy the club, that he declined to sign a confidentiality clause requested of all interested parties, and that “it is simply not plausible” that he can effectively strike a deal with RBS bank in order to take control.

Some reports have claimed that Huang is a billionaire and that he owns a 15 per cent stake in the Cleveland Cavaliers NBA basketball franchise.

In fact he is not a billionaire, and has never owned any shares in the Cavaliers, and there are no plans for him to own any in the future.

One source in China says: “Kenny has no capability of buying Liverpool.”

A different Chinese businessman, Albert Hung, made an offer to buy a stake in the Cavaliers more than a year ago, but even that deal hasn’t gone through.

“Kenny was never the main investor, nor in fact did he ever have any personal financial involvement in such a deal at all,” one source says.

Huang has a commercial connection with the Cavaliers as the middleman who introduced the Cavs to a beer company to do a sponsorship deal, but he has never owned any stake in any major sports franchise.

Huang owns a company in Hong Kong, QSL Sports Limited, which describes itself as a “sports investment company” but its simple website, which hasn’t been updated in several months, ceased working today, with users given the message: “The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit.”

QSL Sports Limited’s main interests to date have been in promoting China’s second-tier semi-professional basketball league (the NBL), and in promoting a new Chinese youth league in baseball (CYBL); baseball is still a fledgling sport in the country.

Until May this year, QSL’s co-founder and primary financial backer was a bona fide billionaire businessman, Adrian Cheng, whose family have been ranked by Forbes as the 112th richest family in the world, worth $7.7bn.

But Cheng and Huang parted company two months ago and a QSL statement at the time said: “QSL co-founder Mr. Adrian Cheng will no longer be involved in QSL’s businesses and development and its related charitable foundations. QSL will now be 100 per cent owned by Mr. Kenny Huang.”

Skeptical sources in China claim that Huang only came to prominence as a front man for an unnamed wealthy Hong Kong family within the past couple of years and that he no longer has that association.

Sources in London with an understanding of what Kenny Huang apparently hopes to achieve at Liverpool say he has offered to effectively buy Liverpool’s debt of £237m from RBS, cutting out any involvement in a formal bidding process being handled by Barclays Capital under the direction of Liverpool’s chairman Martin Broughton.

Yet even those close to Huang cannot explain how buying the debt from RBS would definitely hand him or his backers control of the club. One RBS source described as “absolute bollocks” the idea that RBS would unilaterally sell Liverpool’s debt to Huang or had been involved in advanced talks to do so.

The club’s American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, owe RBS £237m as a result of what was effectively their leveraged buyout, and the pair have also subsequently leant Liverpool another £144m via a Cayman Islands branch of their Liverpool investment vehicle, according to accounts for the financial year ending summer 2009.

It has been claimed that Huang has the backing of an unnamed Asian sovereign wealth fund, which if true could put billions at his disposal. The operative words are “if true”.

If an Asian sovereign wealth fund wanted to buy Liverpool, why would it not go via conventional channels, namely BarCap and Broughton?

Why would it use Huang as a front man, when he has no previous history of sports deals on the scale of a Premier League football club?

Why would it let him effectively manage its funds?


These are all questions that may or may not be answered in the coming weeks.

Liverpool insiders at the highest level insist there are multiple interested parties involved in talks about buying the club and that a preferred bidder should emerge in due course, perhaps within a few weeks.

Due diligence on any bidder, and their ability to take to club forward, specifically in funding a new 60,000-plus seat stadium that could cost up to £400m “is of the utmost importance, now more than ever” one source said.

“There is formal process and BarCap runs it,” said another source. “You cannot simply go to RBS or Wachovia or Bank of America and try to do a unilateral deal because it won’t work and it won’t stack up.

“Mr Huang did not want to sign a confidentiality agreement and you have to ask why.”


A source who knows Huang well said: “Kenny is good at making deals, as in facilitating deals for other people. He would certainly be capable of bringing people together. But Kenny is also very, very good at promoting Kenny.”

Yet, just like everything else to do with this story, not a single on-the-record quote from a named source. And the likelihood of a head honcho at RBS using the words "absolute bollocks" for some reason seems slim to me.
 

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