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Hi Southampton fans, I appreciate nothing is official yet and we could end up looking a little daft if it goes tits up, but it's starting to look likely that we may have appointed your manager.

There's plenty of you lurking on here so please give us your opinion on Koeman and what we can expect from him. Saints fans currently ranting on their own forum are encouraged to sign up here and let us know your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.

They don't make threads like this anymore.
 
Is someone taking the mick cos the name of the person reputed to have posted that disgusting tweet is completely different from the name of the Twitter account.
 
Although given up watching the Dutch league due to it awful level, I don't think Vilhena and Maher have what it takes for the PL. Especially Maher. Seems like he just doesn't have the right mentality. Janssen and Ziyech are both very highly rated. Think with Koeman as manager it increases our chances with Vincent Janssen. Read yesterday someting about a €10m transfersum. Worth the risk imo.

Thanks Dutch. I think Janssen & ziyech are what we should be looking for, young and talented. I also believe that vilhenna's contract is up so worth a punt IMO. If we end up with something like Van Dijk and Janssen replacing Romelu & stones, plus Ziyech and Vilhenna then i think we could be okay to progress. Any rumours of other dutch players ? Assuming Cillessen and Foster for keeper targets ?
 

Don't know if anyone has posted this

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I have read quite a few posts after mine but not all but I thought I would just clear up a more sensible explanation of how I and many others see things.

Yes there are quite a few that seem to have forgotten about "The Southampton Way" and have fallen in love with "this season's" performance every year. "The Southampton Way" is a long term plan though and league position/Europe lasts for a year and means nothing the next.

So yes there are a great many that are distraught we have lost Koeman because he has achieved a lot in his tenure. You cannot argue with the league positions.

However there are people like me that while chuffed to bits with the rise and rise since Markus Liebherr bought us are fully sold on "The Southampton Way" because for a club of our size we cannot compete with the budgets of clubs with a much larger established fanbase. Yes we might be close to you in the Deloite "Rich List" but that is mainly down to the TV money. If Everton get back to the top 6 for a couple of seasons they will blast away from us because of that established fanbase buying up more merchandise again and Everton being a much more marketable product than Southampton is at the moment. If Everton stayed in the bottom half and we qualified for Europa for the next 5 years we would still not have built up a global brand as large as Everton still has. That is reality.

When an other poster talks of us being run like a bigger club they are right. This isn't about anything so simple as just as having a DOF or using a few kids. It is from the ground up that everything in this business has been linked together to make sure that every drop of potential is utilised.

From Sport Science through to the way we are trying to branch out commercially everything is linked up as if we were already a huge organisation and in that way it is run as a big club.

"The black box" is in essence just a buzzword and has been described as if it is purely an scouting tool where the reality is it is much more than that. It is the hub that all the other departments feed off. Where people might preceive it as purely a scouting tool the reality it is a hub of stats that monitors players across the world as well as every player of all ages on our books. It contains details from every training session, every match, every fitness regime. Everything that all of our players of all age groups do. That means if we lose a player then we know exactly what that player gives us in terms of stamina, yards, positioning, how they interact with each different team mate and we can zone in on players from around the world that match those stats or improve on them BUT the important thing is that we can also monitor from what we already have in all the age groups that actually we have a player that near enough fulfills or even exceeds what the analysis says we need for that replacement. It might mean a player that it is not so obvious from playing in a U18 or U21 game that they are what we need there comes through in analysis.

That is the gripe with Koeman in my eyes. There were grumblings (leaked by ITKs so heresay to nobodys like us) about his lack of involvement with the academy bordering on an apathy towards the quality within the academy before Christmas.

The knub of it as was mentioned earlier is someone was quite right when they mentioned Harrison Reed, JWP and Targett not pushing on. Is Targett as good as Bertrand? No, Is Harrison Reed as good as Wanyama? No, Is JWP as good as Davis? No. But how are they to push on without gametime. Bertrand, Wanyama and Davis are and should be first choice however there have to be some games where the others get real game time and not notional cameos at the end of games for the sake of it so that they can develop.

So is Koeman a good manager? Yes undoubtedly. Will he take Everton back up to the top 6? Probably. Will the youngsters already established in the side be given a chance? Yes they are established. Will he bring through youngsters to give them development? Unless they are superstars from the start you might have a hard job convincing him to give them real game time.

No sour gripes from me. If I was choosing what I want Saints to be for the next couple of years I would be selfish and say F the kids. We might be able to get 2 more places up in the next few years and give Koeman the cash. However I nearly lost my club 7 years ago and I buy "The Southampton Way" totally and therefore am not overly fussed Koeman leaves. We cannot do what you are doing because you have that base to support that kind of outlay as long as it works. We could not do that.

I do hope we still finish higher than you because thats what football fans do but take any Saints fan that warbles on about us being as big as you for what it states. Moving to Everton at this moment is a step down short term because of one years results. Long Term he is moving on to something that has a higher potential ceiling that we aspire to reach at some term in our future.
Esk multi, nailed on
 
Well said.

At this rate if we do get him there is going to be a strong feeling of throwing silly money around. There's reports of us offering £7m a year in salary FFS. How many Seamus Colemans could you buy with £7m, something like 115?

I hope this is the start of coleman as an amount of money (Bluey ton etc)

Like when i roll up in my new porsche and my neighghbour goes kin ell how much that run ya?

Two colemans mate
 

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