Summer Transfer Window 2019

[Goat]

By this logic, every single club in the country is skint.

Well no, if you want to talk about logic, they arent.

Not every club in the country has a high wages to turnover ratio like us or has racked up loads of debts or has a playing squad they cant afford.

City for example pay themselves 400m a year to be Man City.

So no mate, not everybody is skint.

 

[chopper6]

We are skint, theres no money in the club, wages are eating it all up.

If we can get the wage bill down and get rid of some deadwood, we can sign some players.

Its nothing new really.

I agree, in that it’s nothing new. I think the point I’m trying to make is that Kenwright was skint and had significantly smaller wealth. Where as Moshiri is a wealthy man.

The problem is trying to improve the clubs success in a way that doesn’t breach FFP. Kenwright couldn’t of done it unless he took loans. Moshiri doesn’t necessarily need to do, BUT he can’t just pump his own money in to balance books.

Therefore player sales/ lowering wage bill or significant new improved commercial deals is the only ‘honest’ way to avoid this 105 million loss over 3 years

 

[scratchnsurf]

By this logic, every single club in the country is skint.

Does every club in the country have a long list of players not going to contribute to the first team squad on huge wages, plus still paying off God knows how many managers and backroom staff's massive contracts after they sacked them?

 

[bluebud]

Or a cash injection. Tbh it is concerning regarding the losses over 3 years not breaching 105 million. What’s the penalty if a club breaches that rule?

Tbf to Esk (which by the way I in no way generally support the dour stuff he says) does raise a very genuine concern.

We can’t just keep spending big money without consequences.

UNLESS we get significant player sales and/ or new cash injections through commercial deals. Moshiri pumping in his own money doesn’t count towards those specific loss rules

I said last week we were skint and everybody laughed at me.

I guess I need a Goat.org to be taken seriously.

A few years ago I think there'd of been resistance but If we get planning permission to go to BMD we could handle 3 years of USM Goodison Park couldn't we? if Mosh and his mate fancied dropping £150m in the club account.

 

[Goat]

I agree, in that it’s nothing new. I think the point I’m trying to make is that Kenwright was skint and had significantly smaller wealth. Where as Moshiri is a wealthy man.

The problem is trying to improve the clubs success in a way that doesn’t breach FFP. Kenwright couldn’t of done it unless he took loans. Moshiri doesn’t necessarily need to do, BUT he can’t just pump his own money in to balance books.

Therefore player sales/ lowering wage bill or significant new improved commercial deals is the only ‘honest’ way to avoid this 105 million loss over 3 years

We need to be clever, like City for example, we need to improve our commercial side, like United and Liverpool for example, we need to build a new stadium, like Arsenal and Spurs. Theres ways around it all.

But the most important thing is to lower the wage bill, thats all we can really do short term or at the very least have players on the wage bill who can contribute.

 

[onlyme]

We are skint, theres no money in the club, wages are eating it all up.

If we can get the wage bill down and get rid of some deadwood, we can sign some players.

Its nothing new really.

As the clubs accountant should you really be divulging such information?

 

[MikeH72]

Well no, if you want to talk about logic, they arent.

Not every club in the country has a high wages to turnover ratio like us or has racked up loads of debts or has a playing squad they cant afford.

City for example pay themselves 400m a year to be Man City.

So no mate, not everybody is skint.

You’re not including any money provided by Moshiri as the club’s own money though, so you can’t do it for City either.

The bulk of every club’s financial outgoings are wages, yes.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Regarding FFP- once PP is granted on BMD I would hope Moshiri sells Goodison to himself for £50+ million like Villa/Derby have done to avoid FFP.

Would be zero risk providing funding/PP were in place for BMD and it was a goer.

 

[Goat]

You’re not including any money provided by Moshiri as the club’s own money though, so you can’t do it for City either.

The bulk of every club’s financial outgoings are wages, yes.

Regards City I meant this.

Manchester City bank record £400m sponsorship deal with Etihad Airways

Uefa's Club Financial Control Panel is poised to assess the fairness of Manchester City's 10-year arrangement with Etihad Airways

www.theguardian.com

 

[coollino]

I've read and listened Marco's comments a few times and just realised he meant business is 3/4 done. Three quarters done, so only one signing left

 

[GwladysPhil]

I've read and listened Marco's comments a few times and just realised he meant business is 3/4 done. Three quarters done, so only one signing left

Payers like Neres need to wait for after the copa to be revealed.

 

[PeregrineT]

I think he is well meaning, but I dont think the Esk understands finances even a little bit. He puts a lot of complicated things on a spread sheet, it looks like he understands it, and then his ending numbers and conclusions end up making no sense as if hes just jumped too them. Usually he gets there by throwing out some big number in a vague category as some first time charge, and then pretend its true. I dont think he understands how amortisation gets figured into club expenses even a little bit.

 

[coollino]

Payers like Neres need to wait for after the copa to be revealed.

Neres done?

 

[GwladysPhil]

Neres done?

Some dude a few page back is adamant.

 

[Goat]

But yeah, not every team is skint.

Everton
Turnover £189m (7th highest in the league, up from £171m)
Wage bill £145m (7th highest, 77% of turnover, up from £105m)
Loss before tax £13m



Arsenal
Turnover £403m (5th highest in the league, down from £424m)
Wage bill £240m (5th highest, 60% of turnover, up from £199m)
Profit before tax £70m

Chelsea
Turnover £448m (4th highest in the league, up from £368m)
Wage bill £246m (4th highest, 55% of turnover, up from £221m)
Profit before tax £30m

Liverpool
Turnover £455m (3rd highest in the league, up from £364m)
Wage bill £264m (2nd highest, 58% of turnover, up from £208m)
Profit before tax £125m

Manchester City
Turnover £500m (2nd highest in the league, up from £473m*)
Wage bill £260m (3rd highest, 52% of turnover, up from £264m*)
Profit before tax £10m

Manchester United
Turnover £590m (highest in the league, up from £581m)
Wage bill £296m (highest, 50% of turnover, up from £263m)
Profit before tax £26m

Tottenham Hotspur
Turnover £381m (6th highest in the league, up from £310m)
Wage bill £148m (6th highest, 39% of turnover, up from £127m)
Profit before tax £139m

1 of those teams is not like the others.