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Ifs and buts. You are right that I do have an issue with Moyes - the hold he has over people. Why? I haven't completely destroyed the man if you read back through my comments. I've praised him where it was deserved. His attitude to attacking (including playing for draws against bigger teams) was part of his loser mentality. He reached his own glass ceiling at Everton. Money wouldn't help him break it - his own mentality would still be too negative.
Yes he lost key players in 09 but as soon as that Saha goal went in, he tried to keep it to 1 nil. Inviting over 90 minutes of pressure - sheer stupidity, and it cost us. How many times did we defend Burnley style by sinking deeper and deeper and defending the edge of the penalty box only to concede a shot from distance? I lost count over the years. Plus we didn't press like the top teams do, we were just aggressive- there is a difference.
I have no doubt that you are right and we would have gone down if we didn't appoint Moyes in the first place. But I hate the way we are not allowed to point out any of his flaws. Moyes was a decent manager, nothing more. Not worthy of the love in he gets here. You can't just blame Kenwright and Elstone for our malaise and the lowering of expectations- Moyes was a big part of that, always playing up the 'miraculous' nature of his work.
What started all this off was a simple comment expressing my dismay at the prospect of signing Danny Welbeck - who strikes me as a Moyes signing. I love the signings we made last year- they were refreshing and a far cry from our usual targets over many years. I don't want to revert to that and everyone feels the need to jump to St Davey's defence.
We'll have to hire a few HGVs to shift all those top 7 trophies to Bramley Moor won't we? I look forward to the Mersey entrance to the stadium being straddled by an 80 feet image of Moyes in bronze styled after the Colossus of Rhodes to reflect his importance in our historylol
The Kean deal feels like it could happen. Those two teams almost certainly aren't interested and even if they are they have too many forwards for Kean to think he's actually going to get time there. The problem is Juve want a ridiculously low buy back, or at least that's the rumor, which I'm sure is why this whole thing is dragging on.
I think doing a clause where Juve can match any offer for him probably suits everyone if their goal is to have the ability to bring him back down the road and not to have an asset they can flip for easy cash like Barca did with Deulofeu. That way we are protected if his value rises a ton and they're protected if someone comes in for him and they want him also.
Just offer them first dibs on Calvert-Lewin, seeing as he's the next Harry Kane and all that...