Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread

[PeregrineT]

In the summer we get a 50m+ increase in revenue. Without selling a player we will have plenty of money to put out a much improved squad over what we have been able to do for the past 3 years. It wont be insane, but it will be a very large increase for what WE have been used to.

 

[Raino85]

Yeah, i get that. But, taking it down from that point still suggests that we don't have much money to spend. Particularly given the size of the rebuild. Supposedly, Moyes wants Coufal on a free, Soucek if we can get him for £25m apparently and now Longstaff- which would likely cost £15-20m. Would be an absolutely tragic waste of money that.

It sounds like we won't be anywhere near that spending. So, if it was 8 £15m players, that would equal £120m. So if nowhere near, maybe a budget to buy £80m of players amortised, if lucky. That would be 4 £20m players. And £20m buys you sod all (apart from Alcaraz). £40m will probably get you Longstaff and Soucek.

Were you getting these fee's from?

Longstaff has a year less than 18 months eft on his contract. If we end up signing him, any fee we pay will be a PSR spin with someone like Patterson

 

[Mr Happy]

In the summer we get a 50m+ increase in revenue. Without selling a player we will have plenty of money to put out a much improved squad over what we have been able to do for the past 3 years. It wont be insane, but it will be a very large increase for what WE have been used to.

How does our revenue increase ?

 

[Goat]

How does our revenue increase ?

I assume he means the extra revenue from the Stadium.

We have increased match day revenue, hopefully naming rights and also an increase in revenue across the board.

 

[Mr Happy]

I assume he means the extra revenue from the Stadium.

We have increased match day revenue, hopefully naming rights and also an increase in revenue across the board.

Is that realised by the summer though?

 

[Goat]

Is that realised by the summer though?

No and I see what you mean, we dont get that money THIS August, but we also dont have to pay all our bills this August.

Ie.

Player A is signed August 2025, but we pay for him normally over 2 years, sometimes 3, so we can use the extra revenue NOW.

 

[Mr Happy]

No and I see what you mean, we dont get that money THIS August, but we also dont have to pay all our bills this August.

Ie.

Player A is signed August 2025, but we pay for him normally over 2 years, sometimes 3, so we can use the extra revenue NOW.

Finances blow my tiny mind.

 

[Goat]

Finances blow my tiny mind.

Anybody who says they understand it all is lying.

Its so complex.

The above is just cash in, cash out.

The PL doesnt even use that, it uses PSR, which is levels again.

Like if we sold Beto this Summer for 20m, despite us paying 25m for him a few years ago, we would make a MASSIVE PSR profit selling him for 20m, then that 20m would allow us to spend 100m, for PSR.

PSR is fake accounting and everybody in the PL uses it, which is why I was so annoyed we managed to fail PSR, its a scam and only idiots fail it.

 

[preposterousvelios]

17/18 £70m
18/19 £90m
19/20 £61m
20/21 £50m
21/22 £75m - that is the year hey made there first big sale (Ben White)

Bear in mind that's during Covid too, that's a hell of a lot of money spent by there owner

Newcastle net spend since the Saudi's took over (bottom of the league with Jeff Hendrick in there team (£364m)

Yeah so as I said they've spent but not on the scale of Newcastle. For a newly promoted team with a wealthy enough owner I would say that's probably the kind of amount you would expect them to be spending each year.

The only reason TFG wouldn't be putting that type of money into the club is PSR. In fact if we were free to spend whatever we wanted i think it would be a decent amount more than that.

Tbh not sure what point you're trying to make beyond you really not liking Brighton.

 

[Billy Dean]

17/18 £70m
18/19 £90m
19/20 £61m
20/21 £50m
21/22 £75m - that is the year hey made there first big sale (Ben White)

Bear in mind that's during Covid too, that's a hell of a lot of money spent by there owner

Newcastle net spend since the Saudi's took over (bottom of the league with Jeff Hendrick in there team (£364m)

Brighton's net spend since 17/18 is -290m, that's over about 8 seasons. It's lower than that figure you quoted from NUFC

 

[Bebeto]

Im thinking differently mate. If they aren't limited by psr I think they will invest significantly in the squad over the next 2 summer windows and possibly then run the club as a business to essentially fund itself.
Kind of like companies taking over businesses on their knees but with potential, injecting money in to get them back on their feet and moving in the right direction.
You generally have to spend money to make money.

I would agree...thats what city has done for many years, and this is what chelsea is doing now under their new ownership. So far TFG haven't really spend that much in the squad other than paying the bills. We haven't really seen much. They are not even trying to work on our psr limitation in the way chelsea has done. We have 2 stadiums...surely something can be work up with goodison to free a significant amount of psr room which would enable us to spend big in the summer. Again not seeing a lot of action right now...

 

[Bebeto]

If we aren’t rushing to extend contracts then it’s a sign we re going to spend big and believe we can buy better. Don’t believe the rubbish about being confirmed a prem club, we already are and they know it

Let's hope so mate. The other angle is that contracts are not getting extended as they try to lower the wage bill, not so much that they will spend big.

 

[brieverton]

Yeah, i get that. But, taking it down from that point still suggests that we don't have much money to spend. Particularly given the size of the rebuild. Supposedly, Moyes wants Coufal on a free, Soucek if we can get him for £25m apparently and now Longstaff- which would likely cost £15-20m. Would be an absolutely tragic waste of money that.

It sounds like we won't be anywhere near that spending. So, if it was 8 £15m players, that would equal £120m. So if nowhere near, maybe a budget to buy £80m of players amortised, if lucky. That would be 4 £20m players. And £20m buys you sod all (apart from Alcaraz). £40m will probably get you Longstaff and Soucek.

I have a similar feeling in rough terms about how the summer will go.

I'd fully accept the need to pad out the squad with 3 or 4 players and I'd hope we could avail of loans and frees in the main to do so.

That would leave the bulk of the budget to be spent on 3 or 4 more players. We'll get no value in doing that within the Premier League, so surely it will have to be from the global market and The Championship.

If we do that, I have no problem with us bringing in the likes of Coufal on a free but would have a very big problem spending £25m on Soucek. His value and ability to contribute is only going down.

The money that we do spend should be on players with the opposite profile - a bit raw certainly, but young and with the potential to be worth much more than what we pay for them in short order.

If one £20m signing is worth £50m + in 1-2 years it's worth it and gives us a solid platform to develop.

 

[Zatara]

Yeah, i get that. But, taking it down from that point still suggests that we don't have much money to spend. Particularly given the size of the rebuild. Supposedly, Moyes wants Coufal on a free, Soucek if we can get him for £25m apparently and now Longstaff- which would likely cost £15-20m. Would be an absolutely tragic waste of money that.

It sounds like we won't be anywhere near that spending. So, if it was 8 £15m players, that would equal £120m. So if nowhere near, maybe a budget to buy £80m of players amortised, if lucky. That would be 4 £20m players. And £20m buys you sod all (apart from Alcaraz). £40m will probably get you Longstaff and Soucek.

Remembering that Moyes used to prefer small squads:

GK: Pickford +2
LB: Mykolenko / +1
LCB: Branthwaite / +1
RCB: O'Brien / Tarkowski
RB: Patterson / +1
LM: Ndiaye / McNeil
LCM: Gana / Iroegbunam
RCM: Garner / Armstrong
RM: +2
ACM: Alcaraz / Doucoure
CF: Beto / Chermiti / +1


Ignoring 2 keepers & assuming Gana + Doucoure extend & Alcaraz signs...

...We'd be fine with 6 new signings.

 

[ForeverEverton]

In the summer we get a 50m+ increase in revenue. Without selling a player we will have plenty of money to put out a much improved squad over what we have been able to do for the past 3 years. It wont be insane, but it will be a very large increase for what WE have been used to.

Shows how far we have fallen for the last few years... Our revenue has grown to £187m (c225m Euro`s), the highest it has ever been is £193m in 20/21 but putting that in to context we are, according to Deloitte :-

In Euros

Brighton 257m
Villa 310m
West Ham 322m
Newcastle 372m
Chelsea 546m
Spurs 615m
Liverpool 714m
Arsenal 717m
Man Utd 771m
Man City 839m

A £50m increase will get us above Brighton but we are more likely to lose out in the money stakes to Forest and their Champions League money next season.

Our Revenue needs to improve £100m to £150m a season to have any impact at the top end and compete for European Football and trophies. We are just too far away.