Teachers' Strike!

[Jags..class]

working till 68 is grim, is this a choice or compulsory

 

[Toffeelover]

The teachers are clinging on to how they have always operated and do not wish to follow the rest of the public sector who have had to take on board options over pensions, remuneration, performance management (lot of teaches could be found wanting).

My sister in law was a head teacher just retired, on I guess something like a £50,000 pension.

 

[Toffeelover]

working till 68 is grim, is this a choice or compulsory

That is the modern requirement for most workers now so why can't teachers fall in line??

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'm all for working towards a more effective way of education, because who wouldn't be? But there is an awful lot of implementation of new thinking with regards to teaching as if there is some miraculous new way just discovered. Absolutely no problem with the Gates foundation trying though, as long as any changes it proposes are well founded.

That's the difficulty. Whenever people wheel out examples of this or that country doing well, it's always telling just how different each of those countries tends to do it. Probably fair to say that it's not as simple as 'do x and you'll get y'

 

[Bruce Wayne]

working till 68 is grim, is this a choice or compulsory

Depends if you're doing something you enjoy I guess.

 

[ArtetaMagic]

Sounds pretty grim, but I know people in other professions who also work at home at night all the time, and get no extra holidays off, I was in University for 5 years and in debt with over 36k and achieved a 2.1. I'm only on 20k a week. But you cant change anything if you don't fight for it so good luck to them.

You lucky git!

 

[bluemangroup]

That's the difficulty. Whenever people wheel out examples of this or that country doing well, it's always telling just how different each of those countries tends to do it. Probably fair to say that it's not as simple as 'do x and you'll get y'

Well for example, you couldn't really do the Korean way of education in this country. It just wouldn't work. But global education tables effect how people view teaching in this country and more experts come out with new ways of doing it, which if anything slows the whole process down further with the chopping and changing.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Well for example, you couldn't really do the Korean way of education in this country. It just wouldn't work. But global education tables effect how people view teaching in this country and more experts come out with new ways of doing it, which if anything slows the whole process down further with the chopping and changing.

Aye. That's one of the reasons I like the Academy idea really as it seems to give schools more freedom to do what they think will work for them locally. Whether that stops Gove meddling or not I don't know. Folks seem to complain equally about his interference and the apparent freedom Academies would provide. Dare say there's a reason there that I don't understand.

 

[bluemangroup]

Aye. That's one of the reasons I like the Academy idea really as it seems to give schools more freedom to do what they think will work for them locally. Whether that stops Gove meddling or not I don't know. Folks seem to complain equally about his interference and the apparent freedom Academies would provide. Dare say there's a reason there that I don't understand.

I think that's down to teaching actually not being that broken in the first place, if people stopped trying to fix it all the time. Gove doesn't endear himself to anyone really and is making the job harder and harder whilst expecting better results.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

UK average is 26.5k

So yes, buttons. Especially when you consider the 5 years of lost earnings for training, and the 30k debt.

Shocking in comparison to other professions requiring that level of training.



So what? You've got a better life and working environment that someone on the dole.

See what I did there?

You reap what you sow.

No mate I seem to have missed it tbh.
I ended up on the dole after that tbh as engineering got virtually wiped out. Looked recently and the wages in it these days are no better than 20 years ago.

 

[Minimeister]

That is the modern requirement for most workers now so why can't teachers fall in line??

This is exactly what the Tories do.

 

[evilwebby]

If they don't like the conditions then they are free to seek alternative employment, they don't because they are far better off than a great many.

What, and forego that gold plated pension that bears no resemblance to what they actually put in?

 

[evilwebby]

Seems depressingly ironic to me that Teachers much more than most don't understand the basics of the Job market.

 

[kenada_blue]

spoke to a teacher about this, apparently they have to do plans for every lesson even if it is the same as last yea and their are no 'standard' plans or whatever! this is obviously crazy..

I have loads of mates who are teachers. It's never a "leave work at work" job. They are assessed on everything, especially when they are first starting out so have to plan each lesson. And you know what happens when a school fails it's ofstead report, doesn't get its pupils top grades... Funding gets pulled. All down to if the teachers don't do their job properly.

Don't forget, adding into those kids who are disruptive who threaten, abuse other kids and teachers... They have take all this home and plan for the next day/week.

GOT is on the money with everything he says.

 

[kenada_blue]

21k is buttons, but, stay there for 6 years and your on 31k. Still modest - including training, you're looking at 10+ years service for 31k a year?


*shakes head.


21k Buttons ?

I used to have to do 12 hour shifts, nights weekends etc to get 31k, with over 10 years experience & 5 years training (so not exactly a job that just anyone could do), now there would be ongoing training that I would have to do to keep up with technology and it was a case of learn it or not be able to work, it didn't get you any more pay either was more a case of if you weren't capable of learning it then you'd have to drop down to being unskilled on less money. If I was to go back into that job now it would take a great deal of catching up to be able to do it again, not just a case of refreshing myself to 'get up to speed.'

Isn't that down to the company you work for though?

I'm on an utter [Poor language removed] wages for an established bank. Do you know what the average they base their wages from? £13,5k a year, £16k for London. That is their jumping off point for any low new starter when negotiating wages. Nothing to do with paying for the skillset,